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Lighty64

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Who signed the cheques?
O'Neill is a manager, they always want more/ better players. It's up to the owner to say we can't do this we can't afford it.
Lerner with full access to the financial situation bares more responsibility than O'Neill.
You don't have to be well informed enough about their situation to know spending money you don't have is only going to go one way. Unless of course you were well informed that O'Neill held a gun to Lerner's head and forced him to spend money.

but O'Neil left in 2010, Randy Lerner never bought Villa till 2012
 
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that will teach me to read the info too quickly:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: sold his Yankee football team in 2012

still think O'Neil done a fair bit of the spend when Ellis was there.
O'Neill was appointed in 2006, Ellis sold to Lerner in 2006. I really don't think what O'Neill spent in the short time Ellis was his chairman 12 years ago can be blamed for their current predicament.
 

Atomic Flea

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Owner must certainly take his share of the blame, the responsibility is always with owners. Managers can just leave their job and move on. But it's the glorification of O'Neill's stay there that annoy me, as if he did a splendid job building a team when it in fact was down to spending a lot of money that the club didn't have. Their position in the table aluded to them being in a good situation, their financial records did not. Villa would not have been in a better situation if O'Neill had stayed, as he refused to cut back on spending and sell players, he would rather leave. He was not the man to bring them out of their situation, the mess they hired later doesn't make it more so.

O'Neill didn't put a physical gun to Lerner's head, but like Redknapp at Portsmouth he did force their hand and said spend or I'm out of here. He's an old school manager that demand full control, like Ferguson etc. This in my opinion should make him more accountable than a head coach hired to just lead the first team. It's a position that should make him have the long term future of the club more in his mind than someone hired to just produce results for the season. Bad owners, bad managers, mediocre players, deluded fan base without self insight who kept demanding more. Owners have been weak and lacked competence to lead the club, someone like Levy would never had ran them into their troubles, and like he did with Redknapp he'd kept O'Neill on a leash, not given him the freedom to sign whatever he wanted. These kind of managers are dangerous to their clubs if allowed full control.
O'Neill was appointed in 2006, Ellis sold to Lerner in 2006. I really don't think what O'Neill spent in the short time Ellis was his chairman 12 years ago can be blamed for their current predicament.

Doesn’t matter who’s fault it was. They’re still f*****! ?
 

Lighty64

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It doesn't say that at all, O'Neill was the last manager Ellis appointed in 2006 before selling out to Lerner. O'Neill wasn't sacked, he walked out just before the season started.

from that link

"Ellis was nicknamed "Deadly Doug" by Jimmy Greaves, after sacking numerous managers during his tenures as Chairman. During his first spell, Aston Villa's managers were Tommy Cummings (1967–1968), Tommy Docherty (1968–1970), Vic Crowe (1970–1974) and Ron Saunders (1974–1982). In his second spell, Villa's managers were Saunders (1974–1982), Tony Barton (1982–1984), Graham Turner (1984–1986), Billy McNeill (1986–1987), Graham Taylor (1987–1990), Jozef Vengloš (1990–1991), Ron Atkinson (1991–1994), Brian Little (1994–1998), John Gregory (1998–2002), Graham Taylor (2002–2003), David O'Leary (2003–2006) and Martin O'Neill (2006–2010)."
 

Davo99

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How long have Villa got to pay the taxman? What kind of timescale are we looking at in this one do we know?
 
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from that link

"Ellis was nicknamed "Deadly Doug" by Jimmy Greaves, after sacking numerous managers during his tenures as Chairman. During his first spell, Aston Villa's managers were Tommy Cummings (1967–1968), Tommy Docherty (1968–1970), Vic Crowe (1970–1974) and Ron Saunders (1974–1982). In his second spell, Villa's managers were Saunders (1974–1982), Tony Barton (1982–1984), Graham Turner (1984–1986), Billy McNeill (1986–1987), Graham Taylor (1987–1990), Jozef Vengloš (1990–1991), Ron Atkinson (1991–1994), Brian Little (1994–1998), John Gregory (1998–2002), Graham Taylor (2002–2003), David O'Leary (2003–2006) and Martin O'Neill (2006–2010)."
You need to read it properly, it doesn't say Ellis sacked O'Neill, it says who were villa's managers during his time as chairman.
I will tell you again( and hope it sinks in), Ellis sold up to Lerner in 2006, O'Neill walked out on villa in 2010. Ellis did not sack O'Neill.
 

ButchCassidy

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How long have Villa got to pay the taxman? What kind of timescale are we looking at in this one do we know?
Think the most recent ITK we had was that the taxman had been paid (for now) but Villa were so cash-poor it would soon be affecting operations and wages. If the Mirror article about them being too poor to complete a free transfer is accurate, I’d expect this to start moving within days. Of course that’s putting a lot of faith in the Mirror...
 

gp13tot

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Saw my mate today, big villa fan. Thinks Grealish will be the absolute nuts for us if he signs, more so than i do i must say, I'm still unconvinced. He's not itk, but said the general consensus with their knowledgeable lot is that a takeover is likely in the next 2 weeks and they dont expect him to be sold before then. Said there is no chance of getting him for 20m or less, even though they are up shit creek. Releasing high wage earners and apparently kodija will be sold before Grealish to ease matters

I dont read other teams forums so not sure if this is widely known or not, just thought I'd share
 
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