Interesting stats. Goals conceded.

[sheringmann]

TEAM SET PIECE OPEN PLAY TOTAL GOALS % SET PIECE


Tottenham
27
31
58
47%


Birmingham
24
33
57
42%


Sunderland
21
33
54
39%


Bolton
21
31
52
40%


Fulham
19
39
58
33%


Newcastle
19
39
58
33%


Blackburn
18
25
43
42%


Derby
17
59
76
22%


Reading
16
49
65
25%


Aston Villa
16
29
55
36%


Liverpool
16
20
26
62%


West Ham
15
27
42
36%


Middlesbrough
14
35
49
29%


Arsenal
13
16
29
45%


Everton
13
16
29
45%


Chelsea
12
12
24
50%


Wigan
9
40
49
18%


Portsmouth
9
27
36
25%


Man City
8
33
31
20%


Man Utd
6
13
19
32%




Interesting stat. 27 goals conceded at set pieces!! That my friends, is lazyness....... Something must be wrong with some of our players attitude and guts. Would be interesting to see a stat that tell us who was at fault for all those goals... anyone know?

 

[SpurSince57]

Some interesting percentages there—look at Derby and Liverpool! Eek

Nothing to with guts, much more concentration and communication (or lack of). It would also be interesting to compare the number of different defenders we've used in each position with other teams, too. That has more than a little to do with it.

Another stat I heard on the radio the other week is that we've conceded more goals from headers than anyone else, which is part of the same problem. But I think weve cut down a bit on goals from long shots. :grin:

 

[stemark44]

I would imagine that most of the set piece goals were conceded in the earlier part of the season as there has been a bit of an improvement since we went zonal!

 

[alamo]

Complete guesswork on my behalf but I imagine most of those set piece goals were conceded in the first half of the season. Since we bought in Hutton and Woody and also since Lee hasn't been used we have a much better aerial presence in the side.

 

[onthetwo]

I think the link (between us and L'pool) is that both keepers are poor at defending set pieces.

 

[Yid-ol]

I think the link (between us and L'pool) is that both keepers are poor at defending set pieces.

and defenders,and midfielder, and forwards :shrug: Robbinson makes mistakes, but so do the other players who lose players and give them free headers, dont see why keepers just get put down for this

 

[There's always next year]

Forget the percentages. We have conceeded more goals from set pieces than the total number of goals conceeded by Man U (19), Chelsea(24) and Liverpool (26).
This statistic is fucking appaulling, considering we have aims for top 4 finish.

Robbo and the lack of confidence he installs around him should shoulder most of the blame, however as a team these stats stink.

 

[SpurSince57]

Yes. Dawson and Chimbonda (to name two of the worst culprits) are so worried by Robbo that one stands around open-mouthed looking like a stunned haddock, whilst the other just fucks off and hands out free headers like sweeties.

The idea is that defenders protect their keeper when he's going through a bad patch. Rio and Vidic did that superbly for VdS when he had one towards the end of last season and the beginning of this.

Of course, it helps if you have—in particular—two CBs playing together long enough to develop an understanding. Our back line changed more in the first five or six games of this season than it did in the whole of 2005-2006.

 

[onthetwo]

and defenders,and midfielder, and forwards :shrug: Robbinson makes mistakes, but so do the other players who lose players and give them free headers, dont see why keepers just get put down for this

true enough, but when it comes to not being able to arrange a wall (Robbo) and not being able to catch a cross (Reina) its difficult not to place most of the blame at their feet.

 

[Yid-ol]

true enough, but when it comes to not being able to arrange a wall (Robbo) and not being able to catch a cross (Reina) its difficult not to place most of the blame at their feet.

it is, Zokora gives away a fair share of stupid fouls which lead to these problems (not just picking on him, most players do, just his ones are stuck in my mind at this moment) and as SS57 said, we have defenders who cant defend, they just look at each other and expect someone else to mark the man or even get there head on the ball, so i blame the defence as much as Robbo, but Robbo is to blame for some things, i just cant blame him for the majority of it.

again as SS57 has asid, the denders should be there to protect the keeper, everyone says that the defence has no confidence in the keeper, but then the keepers we have probably dont have much confidence in some of the defenders doing there job

 

[AngerManagement]

Not a big suprise, it has been apparent that two of our biggest problems have been letting in sloppy goals from poor set piece defending (Andy Gray certainly loved to highlight it) and conceeding late goals/letting leads slip.

Im sure there are various reasons for this, the amount of silly freekicks we conceed n dangerous areas. Robinsons inabilty to claim a ball from a corner/cross/freekick, The lack of confidence the defence inspires in Robinson and vice versa, Lack of concentration from players at key moments.

I fully expect all these areas to be addressed over the summer, with new personal and better drills/training for set pieces, hopefully concentration levels will improve and all our summers signings will be influental ones (all the player deemed first team ready should I say)

I have high hopes for next year once Ramos and Poyet have more of the players they want and time to mould the squad. As well as the players growing together as a unit (the defence has been too unsettled)

The longer Woodgate is in the side the more his influence will affect those around him, a settled CB partnership would help alot as would a resoultion to our keeper situation. Hutton is new too and will surely get better as he settles more and I have no doubt we will bring in someone to protect the defence from the midfield.

Have faith in Ramos, both he and Gus are winners, they even made us winners for the first time in 9 years (no mean feat). Next year we will come out strong and be a much more consistant from back to front (x fingers to still have Berbs)

 

[Caboose]

true enough, but when it comes to not being able to arrange a wall (Robbo) and not being able to catch a cross (Reina) its difficult not to place most of the blame at their feet.

This is why football's such a great game, people can watch things and have completely contrasting views on what they see. I actually feel Reina is one of the best keepers at dealing with crosses, he does make mistakes but so do all keepers (Cech misjudging the cross against Liverpool that Alonso almost got on the end of). But I feel Reina is good cos he's positive in his dealings with crosses and very proactive. I feel a lot of Liverpool's breaks come from him getting something on a cross, flicking it away, catching it and launching it quickly.

My qualm with Robbo and crosses is he's reactive rather than proactive, he doesn't know what to do with them, when to attack, when to stay back and then gets caught do nothing really.

I wouldn't say this is so much of a problem at the moment, we've not been shipping loads more from set plays than other teams I don't feel, our rubbish defence at the moment is Ramos playing players out of position constantly, but I don't want to get started on how angry I am about our performances at the moment, I have work to do and don't want to pick my keyboard up and start smashing it against the desk!!

 

[simyid]

you got these stats from martin tylers columm didnt you

 

[matt5768]

Liverpool and spurs both conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and both zonal mark!!

Coincidence?? I think not

 

[Caboose]

Liverpool and spurs both conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and both zonal mark!!

Coincidence?? I think not

Liverpool concede so few goals that their % ratio is totally uncomparable when it comes to ours. Haven't we only just started using zonal marking because our man marking system wasn't working with Dawson and co just watching the man run around rather than watching the ball come into the box and attack it.

 

[Pinto]

Liverpool and spurs both conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and both zonal mark!!

Coincidence?? I think not

Spurs just started zonal marking if I am not mistaken and it seems to be doing better than early in the season when we were man marking and letting in set piece goals over and over again so you might want to rethink that assessment.

Also it just a % of the goals you give up which from what I understand just means Liverpool don't give up much other than set piece goals, not a big deal if you only give up 1 goal a game and score 2 or 3 with Torres and company. 4th place sounds pretty good to me even if they give up a lot of set pieces goals.

This is also something that is fixable if you ask me. I would much rather have our problem be set piece goals then giving them all up in open play where skill and talent mean more and where I would want new players with better skill and talent to replace the ones we have now, what we need is better training and a little luck with injuries and some new players just because the summer wouldn't be any fun without new players would be nice too. :wink:

 

[tRiKS]

I'm certainly someone that leans more culapatity to defenders (individual ablilty and consistnecey of partnership) rather than the keeper.

I asked myself 2 questions.

1) would that stat be better if Cech was in goal instead of robinson. My answer was possibly... i think probably even.

2) would the stat be better with King and Woodgate playing in front consistently? My answer is definitely yes.

Getting the CB's and full backs and whoever else comes back for set pices right is a bigger priority than replacing Robinson.
I think he's now bound to leave but we'll miss his kicks (maybe not the frequency) and if the defence is as disrupted as it was this year the new keepers not going to make much of a dent on that set peice conceeded percentage.

The zonal switch coincided with Ramos and new training and fitness etc + the use of Cerny and the slight rejuvenation it caused in Robbo so we'll not really know if the Zonal or the fitness or the change of coaching played the biggest part in our improvement.

 

[worcestersauce]

Liverpool and spurs both conceding a lot of goals from set pieces and both zonal mark!!

Coincidence?? I think not

Liverpool didn't concede a lot of goals from set pieces only 16 to our 27 so there is no connection whatsoever.

The point is that Liverpool have a higher percentage set piece figure but thats because they only let in 10 from open play.
What this tells us is that it's nigh on impossible to score aginst Liverpool because they don't let you have many chances so often the only chance you get is from a set piece.

We on the other hand offer up a dozen chances a game to our opponents.

It's clear then that the figures don't point to a similarity it highlights the exact opposite

edit: just noticed your post Caboose missed it before.