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Dharmabum

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Dharmabum

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And this before a match he most probably would have started or at least played some minutes :banghead:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/tott...banish-andros-townsend-first-team-coach-clash

Tottenham banish Andros Townsend from first team after coach clash

Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino has banished Andros Townsend from the first team after the winger's clash with a club fitness coach on Monday.

Townsend, 24, was pictured pushing and arguing with Spurs trainer Nathan Gardiner on the White Hart Lane pitch following the 3-1 win over Aston Villa.

The England international is yet to start a Premier League match this season and was an unused substitute against Villa, with Pochettino preferring to bring on Ryan Mason and 18-year-old Josh Onomah in the second half.

Townsend has since been banned from first-team training, and will not be part of the squad for Thursday night's Europa League match at home to Anderlecht.


"He did not train with the group. He is not available to be selected tomorrow, he is not in the squad," Pochettino said. "It's because of Monday.

"When you behave in the wrong way you always need to pay. It's always my decision when he is available again to be part of the squad.

"Discipline for me is very important. I can understand the player -- we have a young squad and a player can make a mistake -- but when you cross the limit it is important to stop that.

"As a manager I am very fair but the discipline is very important. The staff need to show respect to the player and the player needs to show respect to the staff."

Townsend has apologised for the spat, but sources told ESPN FC on Wednesdaythat the winger is considering his future at Spurs after growing increasingly frustrated at his bit-part role.

The likes of Christian Eriksen, Mousa Dembele, Erik Lamela and Nacer Chadli have all moved ahead of him in the pecking order, and Townsend is likely to want regular football to be in contention for England's Euro 2016 squad.

"Has he apologised? Yes, he recognised it was a mistake," Pochettino said. "I can understand because I was a player and when you don't play you're unhappy and sometimes your expectation is bigger than the manager provides you.

"But it was not normal behaviour. He is young and you need to understand that it isn't the way to impress the manager.

"He needs to learn about football, about behaviour, about discipline, about a lot of things. Football is not only about taking the ball in your feet and playing. You have a responsibility as a professional."

Pochettino suggested the club have fined Townsend for the incident but insists the player can still have a future at White Hart Lane.

"All players have a future. It's up to them to have a future here. Football can change quickly," Pochettino added.

"He is in the squad because we believe in him and believe he can give us very good things, but it is up to the player when he has the chance to impress me and show I am wrong in my decision.

"Has he been fined? It's a private matter. I think it's obvious -- your question and my answer."
 

Dharmabum

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There are no quotes and it's The Mirror so I am not sure how true this article is. But if they are unhappy they should understand that the pics of Andros pushing Gardiner is there for the whole world to see...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-anger-andros-townsends-camp-6768946

Tottenham anger Andros Townsend's camp by going public over fitness-coach row
Representatives thought the matter would be handled privately and feel the winger has been humiliated by Pochettino discussing it with the media


Andros Townsend is at the centre of a furious row at Spurs after Mauricio Pochettino revealed he has been banished from the first team for his bust-up with a fitness coach.

Townsend’s angry camp believe the 24-year-old has been publicly humiliated byPochettino after being led to believe the matter would be dealt with behind the scenes.

England winger Townsend will not play against Anderlecht in the Europa League on Thursday, and Mirror Sport understands he will also not be considered for selection in Sunday's North London derby after he was photographed pushing coach Nathan Gardiner on Monday night.

Pochettino said: “It was in public, there were pictures, we can’t hide it. When there is an action, there is a consequence. There is always a consequence before time to come back again with the team to train.

“He did not train with the group. He is not available to be selected (to play Anderlecht), because of Monday. You behave in the wrong way you always need to pay.

“We have a young squad and the player made a mistake, and when you cross the limit it is important to stop that. I am very friendly but the discipline is very important.

“The staff need to show respect to the player and the player needs to show respect to the staff.”

Townsend had snapped after being an unused substitute with Ryan Mason, Ben Davies and Josh Onomah all going on ahead of him during the 3-1 win over Aston Villa.


As Gardiner ordered him to step up his post-match warm-down after the stadium had emptied, Townsend refused and pushed him in the chest.

Townsend apologised after the incident, but was told he would be fined, would miss both games and be made to train with the club’s Under-21 players — and that both parties would “see what happens after that”.

At the time, his representatives believed that was the end of the matter and that it wouldn’t be made public.

They were stunned, however, when Pochettino revealed the punishment while talking ahead of Anderlecht's visit

Townsend’s inner circle made their feelings clear to Tottenham and believe not enough consideration has been given to the fact that the incident was out of character for the England international, who is frustrated at being a fringe player so far this season.

But Pochettino said: “I can understand because I was a player and when you don’t play you’re unhappy and sometimes your expectation is bigger.

“But it was not normal behaviour. He is young and that it isn’t the way to impress the manager. He needs to learn about football, behaviour, discipline, about a lot of things.

READ MORE: Should Spurs give up on the Europa League to chase top 4 finish?

“Football is not only about taking the ball in your feet and playing. You have a responsibility as a professional.”

Asked if Townsend still has a future at Spurs, Pochettino said: “All players have a future. It’s up to them if there future is here. We believe in him and he can give us very good things, but it is up to the player when he has the chance.
 

Mustard

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And this before a match he most probably would have started or at least played some minutes :banghead:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/tott...banish-andros-townsend-first-team-coach-clash

Tottenham banish Andros Townsend from first team after coach clash

Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino has banished Andros Townsend from the first team after the winger's clash with a club fitness coach on Monday.

Townsend, 24, was pictured pushing and arguing with Spurs trainer Nathan Gardiner on the White Hart Lane pitch following the 3-1 win over Aston Villa.

The England international is yet to start a Premier League match this season and was an unused substitute against Villa, with Pochettino preferring to bring on Ryan Mason and 18-year-old Josh Onomah in the second half.

Townsend has since been banned from first-team training, and will not be part of the squad for Thursday night's Europa League match at home to Anderlecht.


"He did not train with the group. He is not available to be selected tomorrow, he is not in the squad," Pochettino said. "It's because of Monday.

"When you behave in the wrong way you always need to pay. It's always my decision when he is available again to be part of the squad.

"Discipline for me is very important. I can understand the player -- we have a young squad and a player can make a mistake -- but when you cross the limit it is important to stop that.

"As a manager I am very fair but the discipline is very important. The staff need to show respect to the player and the player needs to show respect to the staff."

Townsend has apologised for the spat, but sources told ESPN FC on Wednesdaythat the winger is considering his future at Spurs after growing increasingly frustrated at his bit-part role.

The likes of Christian Eriksen, Mousa Dembele, Erik Lamela and Nacer Chadli have all moved ahead of him in the pecking order, and Townsend is likely to want regular football to be in contention for England's Euro 2016 squad.

"Has he apologised? Yes, he recognised it was a mistake," Pochettino said. "I can understand because I was a player and when you don't play you're unhappy and sometimes your expectation is bigger than the manager provides you.

"But it was not normal behaviour. He is young and you need to understand that it isn't the way to impress the manager.

"He needs to learn about football, about behaviour, about discipline, about a lot of things. Football is not only about taking the ball in your feet and playing. You have a responsibility as a professional."

Pochettino suggested the club have fined Townsend for the incident but insists the player can still have a future at White Hart Lane.

"All players have a future. It's up to them to have a future here. Football can change quickly," Pochettino added.

"He is in the squad because we believe in him and believe he can give us very good things, but it is up to the player when he has the chance to impress me and show I am wrong in my decision.

"Has he been fined? It's a private matter. I think it's obvious -- your question and my answer."



I think he is being bullied out of the club.
 

Dharmabum

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I guess this is beyond hope now but I, for one, would have liked Andros to stay and bounce back and show that he can indeed hold his own in the EPL - for Spurs. But, unfortunately, he doesn't seem to posses the necessary "football intelligence" t succeed at Spurs; as I have a feeling that the clash with the fitness coach is just small part of why Spurs are willing to let him go and not even including him in match-day squads.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...enhams-andros-townsend-transfer-limbo-7167369

Tottenham's Andros Townsend in transfer limbo as Daniel Levy demands £14m and won't sanction a loan move
The winger feels a temporary switch will give him the chance to revive his club career and his hopes of making England’s Euro 2016 squad


Andros Townsend has been left in limbo at Tottenham with Daniel Levy currently refusing to sanction a January loan move.

Winger Townsend wants to leave on loan this month after falling out of favour at White Hart Lane.

His only action since October, when he was dropped from the first-team squad after a clash with a member of the club’s fitness staff, has been for Spurs’ under-21s.

Townsend feels a temporary switch will give him the chance to revive his club career and his hopes of making England’s Euro 2016 squad.

He also believes he may have a bigger choice of clubs to pick from if he waits until the summer to move permanently.


But chairman Levy’s January preference is to sell Townsend - and he is demanding a £14m transfer fee.

Watford and West Brom are keen to borrow the 24-year-old for the rest of the season, with the Hornets his preferred destination.

But Townsend’s future looks set to remain up in the air until his stalemate with Levy is resolved.
 

JimmyG2

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No young Spurs player especially one of our own
deserves to be frozen out if this is all true.
Send him on loan if no offers come in
with a view to a permanent move.
Better still give him yet another chance.
He could have come on instead of Chadli on Sunday.

We need at the very least another scapegoat
now that Tom has slipped his tether.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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No young Spurs player especially one of our own
deserves to be frozen out if this is all true
.
Send him on loan if no offers come in
with a view to a permanent move.
Better still give him yet another chance.
He could have come on instead of Chadli on Sunday.

We need at the very least another scapegoat
now that Tom has slipped his tether.

Can't agree with that at all, he stepped out of line, and if you let people off, it gives everyone else the wrong mentality.

We've been slated over the years for poor attitude & rolling over too easily, so it's high time we toughened up.

He made his bed, and only has himself to blame if he isn't finding it at all comfortable!
 
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BringBack_leGin

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No young Spurs player especially one of our own
deserves to be frozen out if this is all true.
Send him on loan if no offers come in
with a view to a permanent move.
Better still give him yet another chance.
He could have come on instead of Chadli on Sunday.

We need at the very least another scapegoat
now that Tom has slipped his tether.
Andros is being paid very handsomely by the club. Therefore, if the club are entitled to maximise his value however they wish. If that means keeping him around until someone pays the going rate for a 24 year old homegrown England international then so be it. We aren't a charity and we are not going to let him leave for less than we deem appropriate, and if we don't want to loan him that's our prerogative.

Fact is, if Andros had knuckled down, been patient and worked hard at improving then he'd be in an around the first team picture like so many of his peers who were also written off at some stage of their Spurs career.

Points of reference:

Mason, Kane, Carroll, Dembele, Lamela, Walker, Rose.

All of these were considered by the vast majority of fans as not good enough at some stage. Walker was behind Dier at right back last season for a long time, Rose universally disliked, Lamela and Dembele roundly described as flops, and the three local boys all late bloomers who are now regulars. Andros caused his own downfall and now that it looks like he won't get another chance, it's not up to him what happens. He has 3.5 years left on his contract so his only option is to accept the reality of his situation. If he chooses to work hard to try and earn redemption, as it appears he is in fairness, then good on him but he has to do so knowing it may well be too late.
 

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just seems an odd one with andros, he isnt that bad, certainly on par with chadli yep poch not only doesnt fancy him but actually seems to want to piss him off, with all the games he still hasnt played, and from memory he was on the bench v monaco, we are winning easy and he brings alli and i on who has been playing every week
 

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just seems an odd one with andros, he isnt that bad, certainly on par with chadli yep poch not only doesnt fancy him but actually seems to want to piss him off, with all the games he still hasnt played, and from memory he was on the bench v monaco, we are winning easy and he brings alli and i on who has been playing every week

Sorry mate, but you're saying a guy who has scored some 5 or so goals for us in his entire career, and has about the same amount of assists, is on a par with a guy who scored 13 goals for us last season (11 in the league) , and also got something like 6 assists ?

I wouldn't want to play golf with you if that's what you consider as being on par.
 

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just seems an odd one with andros, he isnt that bad, certainly on par with chadli yep poch not only doesnt fancy him but actually seems to want to piss him off, with all the games he still hasnt played, and from memory he was on the bench v monaco, we are winning easy and he brings alli and i on who has been playing every week

Andros is not good enough to play for us, get over it.
 

knowlespurs

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Andros is not good enough to play for us, get over it.
i didnt say he was, so calm down
i dont rate him that highly, and i dont rate chadli that highly, my point was that it seems a bit personal with him, poch very rarely played him in any games, even when like monaco it wouldnt have done any harm to bring him on rather than alli
jesus some people need to chill
 

knowlespurs

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Sorry mate, but you're saying a guy who has scored some 5 or so goals for us in his entire career, and has about the same amount of assists, is on a par with a guy who scored 13 goals for us last season (11 in the league) , and also got something like 6 assists ?

I wouldn't want to play golf with you if that's what you consider as being on par.
dont play golf so we wont be playing anyway
and i view more on what i see, and i dont rate chadli and better than andros, and on the market im guessing they would go for similar money
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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i didnt say he was, so calm down
i dont rate him that highly, and i dont rate chadli that highly, my point was that it seems a bit personal with him, poch very rarely played him in any games, even when like monaco it wouldnt have done any harm to bring him on rather than alli
jesus some people need to chill

I guess Poch see's Townsend in training everyday and around the club. He gave him more than enough opportunities last season to prove he could contribute and he didn't step up, so now we're looking to sell him and don't want to risk injury by playing him.
 

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just seems an odd one with andros, he isnt that bad, certainly on par with chadli yep poch not only doesnt fancy him but actually seems to want to piss him off, with all the games he still hasnt played, and from memory he was on the bench v monaco, we are winning easy and he brings alli and i on who has been playing every week
He (Townsend) fucked up. That's why. Not only by not implementing instructions on pitch, but that fitness coach row he had, however minuscule it was or wasn't, sealed the deal IMO.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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dont play golf so we wont be playing anyway
and i view more on what i see, and i dont rate chadli and better than andros, and on the market im guessing they would go for similar money

So, I give you definitive proof that Chadli has MASSIVELY outperformed Townsend, after you saying they are on a par, yet you respond with "I view more on what I see" ..

I suggest you are totally ignoring what you've seen, or you're tripping & somehow watched Townsend notch up 12 goals & half a dozen assists last season alone.
 

knowlespurs

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So, I give you definitive proof that Chadli has MASSIVELY outperformed Townsend, after you saying they are on a par, yet you respond with "I view more on what I see" ..

I suggest you are totally ignoring what you've seen, or you're tripping & somehow watched Townsend notch up 12 goals & half a dozen assists last season alone.
you must be right as your using bold, and capitals
i dont rate chadli, i dont rate townsend, stats on chadli are better than the player i see, i think most of the time he is very average as is andros
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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you must be right as your using bold, and capitals
i dont rate chadli, i dont rate townsend, stats on chadli are better than the player i see, i think most of the time he is very average as is andros

Bold = to differentiate your words from my own.

Capitals = To emphasise the blatantly obvious, as Chadli has, in one season, scored more than double the amount of goals, and achieved lord knows how many more assists, than Townsend has in his entire career with us.

My opinion may not be right, but the facts are, well, facts (y)
 

knowlespurs

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Bold = to differentiate your words from my own.

Capitals = To emphasise the blatantly obvious, as Chadli has, in one season, scored more than double the amount of goals, and achieved lord knows how many more assists, than Townsend has in his entire career with us.

My opinion may not be right, but the facts are, well, facts (y)
to be fair though in the other 2 seasons he has been here, the stats show chadli is shit as well;)
 
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