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Civil war amongst Spurs supporters......should they change their target?

vegassd

The ghost of Johnny Cash
Aug 5, 2006
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...maybe if some people had the ability to dare to believe that things might actually improve (from a situation that isn't really ridiculously bad), that the club is actually moving forward in a focussed direction for the first time in as long as I can remember, and dared to throw their full support behind their football club that they claim to "support".

A thousand times this.

SC is kinda full of garbage (imo) about Levy at the moment but everyone is allowed an opinion, and this forum is a place for fans to vent those opinions, so gotta let them be I guess.
 

dcarney75

A perfect blend of Steve Hodge and Andy Sinton...
Jan 15, 2007
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Who remembers 1992-2003?

We were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Kevin Scott, Andy Booth, Paolo Tramezzani, Colin Calderwood, Dean Austin, Ruel Fox... I could go on. Mid-table finishes at best, Arsenal only needed to turn up to claim the three points from the NLD, we'd go to places like Leicester City, Middlesbrough and Villa and they'd be the bookies' favourites to win. Flat, passionless performances week in, week out. Chris Armstrong. George Graham. Jose Dominguez. Gerry Francis. Christian Gross. And again, Paolo Tramezzani. Even just typing that list has made me feel slightly depressed. For years, we were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Toda.

If you'd have taken a Spurs fan aside in 1996/1997 and told them that we'd have PL finishes of 4/5/4, and a season in the CL, they'd have collapsed laughing.

Don't get me wrong, there's things I think Levy could have done differently. But, for those who are capable of looking beyond what has happened in the last two weeks, ENIC have, during the last decade, turned this club from being a laughing stock into one which is - over the last few seasons - knocking on the door of the PL elite, and one where a top four finish is no longer an unrealistic goal.

The plan that Levy and ENIC had for the club did not envisage the arrival of Abramovich and Mansour. Their business model, and the combined resources of them and the club, cannot compete with that level of wealth.

But that's maybe another discussion entirely. The point here is that, before we start threads calling Levy a w**ker every time we lose a game, whether to a team that cost £200 million-odd or Wigan, let's just widen our perspective a little and remember what went before.

Nothing's perfect, especially not when it comes to dear old Spurs, but it's a lot, lot better than it was.

I'd love to see what a Spurs Chat thread would have looked like in 1996.
 

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
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the only dumb scores will be from fickle fans. you sir win post of the year.

That's a very passionate plea from yourself but people do have differing opinions on here and that will always be the case but we all love this club.

However there are worrying signs regarding avb and his ability or lack of it to organise his team properly, as we are now a third of the way in to a new season I've seen nothing to suggest he can do it.

We started per season pressing high up the pitch now we don't do fuck all while playing with 2 holding midfield players we cannot protect the back four who have managed to concede in every game expect for one so I would say it is looking a bit bad for avb right now plus the press don't like him this just spells danger for me.
 

idontgetit

Well-Known Member
Aug 21, 2011
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We've been wank since February so probably give AVB some more time before judging Levy on his appointment. Chelsea are reaping the rewards of the system he set up, bit stupid for us to get rid off him now. He needs to kick this negative style of play pronto (before I kick him in the ovaries) but in the long term I reckon he will be excellent for us. We have brand new world class training facilities, a new shiny stadium on the way and an excellent academy. We've not even seen what our team can do at full fitness yet and despite a shaky start we're still in the mix. What Levy does have to do is sign 2 very important players in January. An Ade style striker and a creative box to box midfielder, if he doesn't do that then the SC "separatist rebels" can have a good bitch. In reality though the only thing that can screw us in the long term is us fans not getting behind the team and manager. It creates a nervous manager, a team afraid to express themselves in case they fuck up and it causes Levy to be afraid to invest in January because he's afraid the fans won't let AVB stay. That's the damage we can cause to ourselves by being short sighted. Let's not fuck this up
 

dcarney75

A perfect blend of Steve Hodge and Andy Sinton...
Jan 15, 2007
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We've been wank since February so probably give AVB some more time before judging Levy on his appointment. Chelsea are reaping the rewards of the system he set up, bit stupid for us to get rid off him now. He needs to kick this negative style of play pronto (before I kick him in the ovaries) but in the long term I reckon he will be excellent for us. We have brand new world class training facilities, a new shiny stadium on the way and an excellent academy. We've not even seen what our team can do at full fitness yet and despite a shaky start we're still in the mix. What Levy does have to do is sign 2 very important players in January. An Ade style striker and a creative box to box midfielder, if he doesn't do that then the SC "separatist rebels" can have a good bitch. In reality though the only thing that can screw us in the long term is us fans not getting behind the team and manager. It creates a nervous manager, a team afraid to express themselves in case they fuck up and it causes Levy to be afraid to invest in January because he's afraid the fans won't let AVB stay. That's the damage we can cause to ourselves by being short sighted. Let's not fuck this up

Good post.
 

dcarney75

A perfect blend of Steve Hodge and Andy Sinton...
Jan 15, 2007
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310
To be honest, I've never been convinced AVB was the right appointment, and the jury's still out for me, but even if he doesn't work out, it doesn't mean ENIC should go.

I think some people should be careful what they wish for. There's more Lerners and Gaydamaks out there than shiny Arab consortiums, and morally corrupt Russian billionaires.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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Don't change the target just stop sodding shooting. Christ, anyone would think the club was in meltdown.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2003
9,186
11,147
Who remembers 1992-2003?

We were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Kevin Scott, Andy Booth, Paolo Tramezzani, Colin Calderwood, Dean Austin, Ruel Fox... I could go on. Mid-table finishes at best, Arsenal only needed to turn up to claim the three points from the NLD, we'd go to places like Leicester City, Middlesbrough and Villa and they'd be the bookies' favourites to win. Flat, passionless performances week in, week out. Chris Armstrong. George Graham. Jose Dominguez. Gerry Francis. Christian Gross. And again, Paolo Tramezzani. Even just typing that list has made me feel slightly depressed. For years, we were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Toda.

If you'd have taken a Spurs fan aside in 1996/1997 and told them that we'd have PL finishes of 4/5/4, and a season in the CL, they'd have collapsed laughing.

Don't get me wrong, there's things I think Levy could have done differently. But, for those who are capable of looking beyond what has happened in the last two weeks, ENIC have, during the last decade, turned this club from being a laughing stock into one which is - over the last few seasons - knocking on the door of the PL elite, and one where a top four finish is no longer an unrealistic goal.

The plan that Levy and ENIC had for the club did not envisage the arrival of Abramovich and Mansour. Their business model, and the combined resources of them and the club, cannot compete with that level of wealth.

But that's maybe another discussion entirely. The point here is that, before we start threads calling Levy a w**ker every time we lose a game, whether to a team that cost £200 million-odd or Wigan, let's just widen our perspective a little and remember what went before.

Nothing's perfect, especially not when it comes to dear old Spurs, but it's a lot, lot better than it was.

I'd love to see what a Spurs Chat thread would have looked like in 1996.
you forgot Darth Vega ;)
Apart from that absolutely spot on sir
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Aug 20, 2003
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To be honest, I've never been convinced AVB was the right appointment, and the jury's still out for me, but even if he doesn't work out, it doesn't mean ENIC should go.

I think some people should be careful what they wish for. There's more Lerners and Gaydamaks out there than shiny Arab consortiums, and morally corrupt Russian billionaires.
dare I say it the Irvine scholars of the modern game...
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
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I think Levy should be applauded for what he has done for the club. He turned us from a club consistently finishing in the bottom half and spending money on ageing players and a few stars kept us going to a club making money, full of young talent and finishing in the top 6.

All our best Prem finishes have come under Levy and it came through a good long and short term plan strategy to get there.

However, this doesn't mean he can't be questionned. He hired Santini and a DOF and then Jol soon took over and did a good job.

Jol said he needed some experienced heads to mix with our young talents but instead was bought a bunch of young talents.

Jol was fired and the next appointment was a disaster. To steady the ship he hired a solid, experienced head who took us to our best ever Prem finishes and well within budget.

Levy fired him and decided on a more forward-thinking manager.

Levy needs to be judged on this appointment. He wasn't forced into it. Redknapp didn't quit, he was doing a good job and hadn't done anything severe enough to deserve a sacking. Fans were not calling for Redknapp's head.

Levy has taken a risky move. He has been chairman of Spurs now for a long time and if he has made another bad appointment then it might be time for him to resign as chairman or give responsibility of management hiring to someone else.

It is way too early though to say the appointment has been unsuccessful. I don't think there's a civil war among Spurs fans. There's some disagreements and some aren't supportive of the new manager but nothing sever yet.

AVB is under a lot of pressure after taking over a club who were doing well.
 

teok

Well-Known Member
Aug 11, 2011
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A thousand times this.

SC is kinda full of garbage (imo) about Levy at the moment but everyone is allowed an opinion, and this forum is a place for fans to vent those opinions, so gotta let them be I guess.


I have to admit I have been reading the forum far less than usual in the last week or so. Just scanning the threads and a few replies and just logging out again.
 

Sp3akerboxxx

Adoption: Nabil Bentaleb
Apr 4, 2006
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I back Levy. Sure he makes some mistakes, but attempting to construct a stadium and balance the books of a top flight team is nigh on impossible. I would prefer to do it slowly and softly with setbacks and mistakes, than end up like Malaga.
 

aliyid

Well-Known Member
Dec 28, 2004
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I'm slowly loosing my faith in the Spurs faithful, for years I've defended us against criticisms of being fickle and shown how we've supported our club through more rough patches than glory moments since I've been a fan (I'm 31 and went to first game when I was 7 so 24 years)

Personally I back Levy, I'd like to believe that if everybody took a step back, looked at where we were under Sugar and then looked at the brand of football we've played over the last 5 years (and lge finishes) then they would see the amazing job Levy's done with our club (especially when you consider the financial limitations we operate under)

As for AVB, for christ sake give the man a chance people. He's inherited a team that has had it's heart ripped out of it. Modric & VDV sold, King retired, Parker & Ade injured. Would Arry have still managed to have us above Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, etc... at this stage of the season without those players? I don't think so...

It's time to put anti-AVB, anti-Levy and any anti-Spurs behavior to rest. We are Spurs, we will always be 10 seconds away from scoring and 10 seconds away from conceding. The season is a roller coaster of emotions and I wouldn't want to have it any other way. Support the club, support the shirt and remember... The game is about Glory COYS
 

nightgoat

Well-Known Member
Sep 12, 2005
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Who remembers 1992-2003?

We were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Kevin Scott, Andy Booth, Paolo Tramezzani, Colin Calderwood, Dean Austin, Ruel Fox... I could go on. Mid-table finishes at best, Arsenal only needed to turn up to claim the three points from the NLD, we'd go to places like Leicester City, Middlesbrough and Villa and they'd be the bookies' favourites to win. Flat, passionless performances week in, week out. Chris Armstrong. George Graham. Jose Dominguez. Gerry Francis. Christian Gross. And again, Paolo Tramezzani. Even just typing that list has made me feel slightly depressed. For years, we were shit. Seriously f**king shit. Toda.

I liked Ruel Fox. :(
 

dontcallme

SC Supporter
Mar 18, 2005
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81,902
Personally I back Levy, I'd like to believe that if everybody took a step back, looked at where we were under Sugar and then looked at the brand of football we've played over the last 5 years (and lge finishes) then they would see the amazing job Levy's done with our club (especially when you consider the financial limitations we operate under)

I'm a big Levy fan and backed him all the way and am very grateful for what he has done for our club.

But people can't keep bringing up the Sugar era likethis means any Levy criticism is meaningless.

Levy has been chairman for around 10 years now. Some see the sacking of Jol and hiring Ramos as a similar mistake to sacking Redknapp and hiring AVB. Some also believe his transfer policy is a recurring problem.

I don't agree but believe people have a right to question whether Levy is the right man to take us forward.
 

jimbo

Cabbages
Dec 22, 2003
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Ramos was bad, not really a debate there, but without him we may not have continued our run of winning a trophy in each decade.

Also, and this is just a personal thing, but Redknapp deserved sacking after that 5-1 loss to Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-final. (I hate Chelsea and that game was particularly awful for personal reasons.)
 
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