Cardiff record signing Sala on missing plane

Rocksuperstar

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Flying doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think it was because I was six when I first went on a plane and so kinda got used to it from a young age, even turbulence doesn't bother me, I'm more annoyed it spills my drink.

I can understand why people don't like it though.
Lets be honest, the only good bit about long haul is the take off and landing. Take off because it's absurd how long that thing accelerates for, I love being pushed into my seat and thinking, "This can't keep getting faster, can it??" for AAGES.

The landing is terrifying and hilarious all at once.

First flight I ever took was long on Etihad from Heathrow to Abu Dhabi, then from there on to Bangkok in a plane that had only been in the air for six official flights - sooo shiny. We approached Bangkok at about 10pm from the wrong direction, passed it, went up on one wing and held this mental turn - out of the upper window we had what appeared to be space but below what appeared to be only a few yards off the wing was a market and people and traffic and holy shit, i swear if someone hailed a cab we'd have hit their arm. 180 degrees, next thing I know we're below buildings, leveled out and touching dirt. SO EXCITING! Fucking love it.
 

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Lets be honest, the only good bit about long haul is the take off and landing. Take off because it's absurd how long that thing accelerates for, I love being pushed into my seat and thinking, "This can't keep getting faster, can it??" for AAGES.

The landing is terrifying and hilarious all at once.

First flight I ever took was long on Etihad from Heathrow to Abu Dhabi, then from there on to Bangkok in a plane that had only been in the air for six official flights - sooo shiny. We approached Bangkok at about 10pm from the wrong direction, passed it, went up on one wing and held this mental turn - out of the upper window we had what appeared to be space but below what appeared to be only a few yards off the wing was a market and people and traffic and holy shit, i swear if someone hailed a cab we'd have hit their arm. 180 degrees, next thing I know we're below buildings, leveled out and touching dirt. SO EXCITING! Fucking love it.
I hear so many people say the landing is the worst part of the flight and I can't understand why, i assumed being in the air would be worse than being on the ground. I guess everyone is different.

Went on a family holiday about 8 years ago and my nieces, who were 8 & 4 at the time and was their first time on a plane, both laughed their heads off when the plane landed, they thought it was great fun all the bumping around.
 

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This is all very sad, but I feel slightly bad for the pilot, David Ibbotson who gets very little mention. Appreciate that I'm gleaning a lot from sports websites and thus the focus is on the sportsman but the pilot is almost a sidenote.
 

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This was obviously going to happen. Sounds to me like Cardiff have leaked this to garner sympathy but it doesn't look very classy to do this and I wonder what his family will make of it. I suspect it's a bit of both - Nantes maybe need to stay patient but I can see why they're alarmed if Cardiff have missed an instalment and have lawyers going through the contract with a fine-tooth comb.

In my opinion, Cardiff have a contract to honour. What's happened to them, taking the tragedy out of it, is extremely unlucky but that doesn't change matters. They have to pay the fee and claw whatever they can back from insurance on the player.

I think it's complicated by the fact that Bordeaux are entitled to a sizeable sell-on fee as well, so they might be asking questions too here about what's happening.
 

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Nantes are a fucking disgrace...I can't believe human beings.

If any monies paid all should go to the family of Sala.

Both clubs should make a contribution to the family.
 

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2 things...

1, I think it's wrong on every level for Nantes to even think about this until Sala's body is found/recovered/confirmed or assumed deceased.

Fuck the money! His family are undoubtedly going through hell, and Cardiff themselves are probably struggling to deal with the whole situation. Let's face it, this is not something a club is used to dealing with.

The plane (or body) is going to be recovered. That'll tell us more, give the family & Cardiff until then.

Now the 2nd thing, something just doesn't add up. It's been bugging me, somewhat. I'm no conspiracy nut (though they do intrigue me) but why would this extremely wealthy person get on an (apparently) shoddy plane that's making scary noises, and message his family to say how scared he is, but then not just get off the plane? Why were there no other messages sent after take off? Why am I wondering why there's only 1 body in the plane if the pilot would've been the one to have made the ocean landing (surely had to be done properly if the plane is intact enough to say there's 1 body in it).

Yeah I'm weird.
 

coopsieyid

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This was obviously going to happen. Sounds to me like Cardiff have leaked this to garner sympathy but it doesn't look very classy to do this and I wonder what his family will make of it. I suspect it's a bit of both - Nantes maybe need to stay patient but I can see why they're alarmed if Cardiff have missed an instalment and have lawyers going through the contract with a fine-tooth comb.

In my opinion, Cardiff have a contract to honour. What's happened to them, taking the tragedy out of it, is extremely unlucky but that doesn't change matters. They have to pay the fee and claw whatever they can back from insurance on the player.

I think it's complicated by the fact that Bordeaux are entitled to a sizeable sell-on fee as well, so they might be asking questions too here about what's happening.

Mate, honestly, with the greatest of respect. That's a pretty cold post.

A contract to honour? Come on, have a heart. Cardiff didn't just buy a car off Nantes & crash it on the way home. A life was involved & NEITHER club has got what they thought were getting.

As unlikely an event as it was, I'd be amazed if there wasn't some sort of insurance to cover the whole horrible turn of events.

Let those people sort it out. Let the family grieve (assumption they'll need to), let the clubs just try to finish their seasons. Anything else, deal with it then. Fuck the contract!

No aggression or disrespect meant in this post. :oops:
 

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"The Bluebirds want to find out the full facts and learn who was to blame for the disappearance of the Piper Malibu N264DB plane.

Cardiff are willing to meet their full obligations but are also looking to establish a series of factors.

It remains unclear who owned the plane, while other flight details and insurance issues remain unclear - which may mean it results in an insurance pay out."

Not sure how all this works. Will the insurance not pay out if they knew the plane was defective before it took off. There were rumours he tried to take off 3-4 times before it went up.

Can cardiff sue anyone.

I knew this would get messy.
 

mpickard2087

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Mate, honestly, with the greatest of respect. That's a pretty cold post.

A contract to honour? Come on, have a heart. Cardiff didn't just buy a car off Nantes & crash it on the way home. A life was involved & NEITHER club has got what they thought were getting.

As unlikely an event as it was, I'd be amazed if there wasn't some sort of insurance to cover the whole horrible turn of events.

Let those people sort it out. Let the family grieve (assumption they'll need to), let the clubs just try to finish their seasons. Anything else, deal with it then. Fuck the contract!

No aggression or disrespect meant in this post. :oops:
Nothing that I said is inaccurate though. Nantes sold Cardiff the player. Cardiff therefore owe Nantes the money. It will be up to Cardiff to claim any insurance they have on the player, Nantes will have nothing to do with that. They also have a club due part of the transfer fee who are probably in turn breathing down their necks and might themselves need the money the transfer brought in.

It's terrible luck for Cardiff what happened, but it doesn't change that. I'm not surprised alarm bells are ringing for Nantes if Cardiff missed the first payment and are going "we're paying the money, honest guv" whilst at the same time having their lawyers going over the contract and whole transfer, and checking they'll get an insurance payout first.

But as I said, you could spot a mile off this would end up in dispute given the unique circumstances.
 

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2 things...

1, I think it's wrong on every level for Nantes to even think about this until Sala's body is found/recovered/confirmed or assumed deceased.

Fuck the money! His family are undoubtedly going through hell, and Cardiff themselves are probably struggling to deal with the whole situation. Let's face it, this is not something a club is used to dealing with.

The plane (or body) is going to be recovered. That'll tell us more, give the family & Cardiff until then.

Now the 2nd thing, something just doesn't add up. It's been bugging me, somewhat. I'm no conspiracy nut (though they do intrigue me) but why would this extremely wealthy person get on an (apparently) shoddy plane that's making scary noises, and message his family to say how scared he is, but then not just get off the plane? Why were there no other messages sent after take off? Why am I wondering why there's only 1 body in the plane if the pilot would've been the one to have made the ocean landing (surely had to be done properly if the plane is intact enough to say there's 1 body in it).

Yeah I'm weird.
Guy at work said exactly the same thing.

Thing is, wealthy or not human beings take risks and sometimes don’t appreciate the situation. With something like flying, you tend to put your trust in the technology and pilot, even if things seem a bit dodgy. I’d like to think in his position I would have said “fuck that”, but in truth I don’t know how I’d react unless I was actually put in that situation.

As for there being only one body, unless there have been further developments, my understanding is they have identified they can see one body in the wreckage. That doesn’t mean the other body isn’t there in a position they can’t see yet.

Agree overall the whole thing is a strange set of circumstances though.
 

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2 things...

1, I think it's wrong on every level for Nantes to even think about this until Sala's body is found/recovered/confirmed or assumed deceased.

Fuck the money! His family are undoubtedly going through hell, and Cardiff themselves are probably struggling to deal with the whole situation. Let's face it, this is not something a club is used to dealing with.

The plane (or body) is going to be recovered. That'll tell us more, give the family & Cardiff until then.

Now the 2nd thing, something just doesn't add up. It's been bugging me, somewhat. I'm no conspiracy nut (though they do intrigue me) but why would this extremely wealthy person get on an (apparently) shoddy plane that's making scary noises, and message his family to say how scared he is, but then not just get off the plane? Why were there no other messages sent after take off? Why am I wondering why there's only 1 body in the plane if the pilot would've been the one to have made the ocean landing (surely had to be done properly if the plane is intact enough to say there's 1 body in it).

Yeah I'm weird.
I think there is both bodies on the plane but with respect to both families they can't/won't say that as its announcing to the world both have died, not the best way to find out a love one has died. This way the public know a snippet of news until both parties have been told officially.

When the plane was found and announced it was clear that something extra was being held back, the guy that discovered it was so guarded with his statement.
 

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I can understand why Nantes have done this. Lawyers are going to be all over it what with insurance, huge questions about the qualification of the pilot and suitability of the plane, and the involvement of three seperate jurisdictions (England/Wales, France and Guernsey). Due process will have to be followed however emotionally cold it seems. Failing to follow up on a missed payment could potentially be argued as acceptance that the circumstances changed matters with regards to the contract between the club, or even as acknowledgement that there was something improper about the flight arrangements and that Nantes were aware of this - whereas if things are done to the letter of the law they'll hope that insurance pays out and neither club suffers direct financial damage from this.
 

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"The Bluebirds want to find out the full facts and learn who was to blame for the disappearance of the Piper Malibu N264DB plane.

Cardiff are willing to meet their full obligations but are also looking to establish a series of factors.

It remains unclear who owned the plane, while other flight details and insurance issues remain unclear - which may mean it results in an insurance pay out."

Not sure how all this works. Will the insurance not pay out if they knew the plane was defective before it took off. There were rumours he tried to take off 3-4 times before it went up.

Can cardiff sue anyone.

I knew this would get messy.
I think both clubs and the agents are probably trying very carefully not to be sued by the player and the pilot’s families as well. There will be solicitors all over it and people trying to apportion blame left, right and centre. I really don’t think we’ve heard the end of this sorry affair I’m afraid.
 

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"The Bluebirds want to find out the full facts and learn who was to blame for the disappearance of the Piper Malibu N264DB plane.

Cardiff are willing to meet their full obligations but are also looking to establish a series of factors.

It remains unclear who owned the plane, while other flight details and insurance issues remain unclear - which may mean it results in an insurance pay out."

Not sure how all this works. Will the insurance not pay out if they knew the plane was defective before it took off. There were rumours he tried to take off 3-4 times before it went up.

Can cardiff sue anyone.

I knew this would get messy.
Terrible business all round and made worse by this money business.

Have to say though why are Cardiff hiding behind the insurance payout possibilities and wanting to know who was responsible for the crash ? What has that got to do with them honouring the contract they signed with Nantes ? The only reason I can see for not paying up is there is no proof (yet) that the poor man is dead and out of respect to his family they want to delay payment.
 
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