Buying players from the World Cup

[Hakkz]

Or Youtube.

Bebe, bebe oooh.

 

[werty]

I’d say there’s still plenty of relatively unknown diamonds out there. Players are still picked up for bargain prices every season in PL. Just find it strange how a player can perform on the biggest stage in the world then flop when come to PL.

It's an incredibly short sample size, but it doesn't stop people thinking they've figured out a player the first time they've seen them. If you have three good games you'll be in contention for team of the tournament. You see in the Premier League all the time too. Cisse, Jelavic, Gabbiadini, Ighalo, etc. All players who had incredible short spells scoring goals for fun and being linked with moves to bigger clubs, then returning to the players they were most of their career.

 

[spids]

20+ years ago scouts got to see players for the first time live at WCs, opening up a new market to savvy clubs. Ardiles, Villa, Dumitrescu, Popescu are a few examples where we took a dip in the World Cup market. But these days there are no excuses for buying a player based on 4 or 5 good games at a WC, half of them against poor opposition. The price will be inflated and the buy a risky one if the player is not properly scouted over time.

 

[coys200]

20+ years ago scouts got to see players for the first time live at WCs, opening up a new market to savvy clubs. Ardiles, Villa, Dumitrescu, Popescu are a few examples where we took a dip in the World Cup market. But these days there are no excuses for buying a player based on 4 or 5 good games at a WC, half of them against poor opposition. The price will be inflated and the buy a risky one if the player is not properly scouted over time.

You say that but take a player like mitrovic. Good spell at Fulham banged in a Hatrick tonight. Just the sort of player if he had a good World Cup could get a big move. Still think world cups are hugely influential on a players CV.

 

[spids]

You say that but take a player like mitrovic. Good spell at Fulham banged in a Hatrick tonight. Just the sort of player if he had a good World Cup could get a big move. Still think world cups are hugely influential on a players CV.

He is exactly the type of player to get a big move (£25m+) based on a good spell in 4 games at a World Cup despite being a very average player who wouldn’t cut it at a top 6 side.

 

[coys200]

He is exactly the type of player to get a big move (£25m+) based on a good spell in 4 games at a World Cup despite being a very average player who wouldn’t cut it at a top 6 side.

I doubt there’s much in it between him and Rondon tbh.

 

[UncleBuck]

There aren’t really any complete unknowns these days, it was different years ago but the scouting networks cover the whole globe now so the days of finding players that no one has heard of or already researched etc are minimal IMO

From about ‘98 the wc has lost it’s magic and mystique on the basis of it being this massive commercial game.
Rossi in ‘82, Rats in 86, Scilacci in90, Al Awarian in ‘94...it used to be great watching players from all over the globe who you’d never heard of, I think Falcao, Zico and Sócrates in ‘82 are prime examples.
It’s just not as exciting as it used to be because generally we know all the countries squads these days even down to the third choice keeper...
So no, I wouldn’t keep a monetary fund on the basis of a player putting in three or four decent performances.

 

[kr1978]

From about ‘98 the wc has lost it’s magic and mystique on the basis of it being this massive commercial game.
Rossi in ‘82, Rats in 86, Scilacci in90, Al Awarian in ‘94...it used to be great watching players from all over the globe who you’d never heard of, I think Falcao, Zico and Sócrates in ‘82 are prime examples.
It’s just not as exciting as it used to be because generally we know all the countries squads these days even down to the third choice keeper...
So no, I wouldn’t keep a monetary fund on the basis of a player putting in three or four decent performances.

Exactly, I was a young kid in 86 and that is the first World Cup I remember, I was so excited to be able to see Zico on telly as that just wasn’t an option.

Cracking tournament as well so that helped

 

[UncleBuck]

Exactly, I was a young kid in 86 and that is the first World Cup I remember, I was so excited to be able to see Zico on telly as that just wasn’t an option.

Cracking tournament as well so that helped

This always brings a smile to my face!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26082750

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Don’t wanna make this about specific players we might buy from World Cup hence not in transfers rumours. More about why it’s frowned upon to buy players off the back of a World Cup. At the end of the day it’s the highest level of world football so if a player shines and they have a reasonable CV to back it up why not. Also sprang to mind that with a few clubs doing their business early Liverpool united etc. If a diamond did appear at the World Cup would leave the pathway much clearer for us. Might be quite shrewd to leave £40m in the budget for such an occurrence. So how would you feel if a complete unknown has a stunning World Cup, would you take a punt ?

It's generally madness to buy players based on a unique event that does not represent a true evaluation of their skill set, and how effective that skill set might be over 38 games, not just 3-6 against very tactically peculiar teams trying to win one off games etc.

This is especially true now that no player there will be an unknown entity, being seen for the first time etc. And there will, in nearly all cases, have been much better opportunities to evaluate them over longer time scale, in more representative conditions.

Conversely, one of my favourite ever Spurs players - Ardiles - was signed exactly like this. But then, that was a time when WC's did give us the first glimpse of players from around the globe.

 

[coys200]

Actually just watched the ITV program with Ardiles and Villa good watch.

 

[N17-77]

I’d say there’s still plenty of relatively unknown diamonds out there. Players are still picked up for bargain prices every season in PL. Just find it strange how a player can perform on the biggest stage in the world then flop when come to PL.

Unknown to us fans, or also unknown to rich, professional clubs paid scouting networks?

 

['O Zio]

Don’t wanna make this about specific players we might buy from World Cup hence not in transfers rumours. More about why it’s frowned upon to buy players off the back of a World Cup. At the end of the day it’s the highest level of world football so if a player shines and they have a reasonable CV to back it up why not. Also sprang to mind that with a few clubs doing their business early Liverpool united etc. If a diamond did appear at the World Cup would leave the pathway much clearer for us. Might be quite shrewd to leave £40m in the budget for such an occurrence. So how would you feel if a complete unknown has a stunning World Cup, would you take a punt ?

Firstly, it's nowhere near "The highest level of world football" as you claim, not by a long shot. The club game has long since surpassed the international game in terms of quality.

Secondly, it's a case of playing barely a handful of games so it's not even close to being a large enough sample size to judge a player from.

 

[coys200]

Firstly, it's nowhere near "The highest level of world football" as you claim, not by a long shot. The club game has long since surpassed the international game in terms of quality.

Secondly, it's a case of playing barely a handful of games so it's not even close to being a large enough sample size to judge a player from.

Sorry but the World Cup is the highest level. Any of France Spain Brazil Germany would beat the Real Madrid team of this year. Ask any player if they’d trade a CL for a World Cup.

 

['O Zio]

Sorry but the World Cup is the highest level. Any of France Spain Brazil Germany would beat the Real Madrid team of this year. Ask any player if they’d trade a CL for a World Cup.

It's not the highest level by a long stretch. Yes there are some teams that are very good but club football is a much higher level than international. Watch most of the world cup games and I guarantee the quality will not be very good. The Euros was absolutely woeful.

 

[Trix]

Wasnt zokora after the World Cup ?

Fairly sure the deal was in place prior/during the tournament. IIRC a member of COYS called LennonsJetBoots bumped into him at this teams hotel and he was with someone high up from the club.

 

[Shadydan]

Sorry but the World Cup is the highest level. Any of France Spain Brazil Germany would beat the Real Madrid team of this year. Ask any player if they’d trade a CL for a World Cup.

Collectively there are more clubs who are better than country's so it's not by a long stretch, CL is the pinnacle of football these days where you get all the top stars playing for better coached and cohesive teams.

 

[coys200]

I’d agree there’s more depth in the CL. As in the last 16 teams CL will be better overall quality than World Cup. But still maintain any of the top 4 squads at this World Cup would beat Real Madrid team this season.

 

[Hakkz]

This is getting funnier by the post.

 

['O Zio]

I’d agree there’s more depth in the CL. As in the last 16 teams CL will be better overall quality than World Cup. But still maintain any of the top 4 squads at this World Cup would beat Real Madrid team this season.

But that's a completely separate argument. The point isn't whether Brazil could beat Real Madrid, it's about whether the standard of football at the world cup is the highest in the game, and you've just admitted that it isn't and then completely changed the question