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poc

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Wilder has nothing apart from power. Joshua just need to not engage in an all out war and he out boxes him everytime. Even if he did go in to have a tear out 99 times out of 100 Joshua lands first and its game over.

Just seen the news on the Ruiz Jr fight... AJ should get far away from Hearn, if that is the sort of fight that he is making.
Who was out there then that would sell a fight in NYC? Ortiz didn't want it, hunter is too small and miller put them in this predicament. He should win easily imo but there isn't a long line of people they could of got at this notice yearns helped make AJ very wealthy not sure what the problem is with that.
 

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The point is that he has power, AJ's defense isn't great and he's not the complete boxer IMO.

If Wilder connects with one like Klitschko did, I have serious doubts Joshua would get up like Fury did.

Don’t forget though, Fury didn’t actually get dropped by a single huge bomb from Wilder. The first knockdown was a cuffing shot that looked like it had nothing behind it. The second and famous knockdown was actually delivered whilst Fury was on his way down from a lighter shot, reducing the impact when it connected.
Contrary to popular belief, Wilder didn’t hit Fury with his hardest shot at any point in the fight. I think that’s why there’s a bit of reluctance from Fury for the rematch, certainly when it came to an immediate rematch.

Of the two knockdowns, I’d say Klitschko possibly landed the bigger shot. Fury’s rise was incredible though.

It’s all part of why these fights have to happen. For what it’s worth, I believe Joshua gets to Wilder first. More accurate, more aggressive ( certainly earlier ) and his shots travel a shorter distance than Wilders. I think he beats him to the punch basically. Early too
 

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Wilder has nothing apart from power. Joshua just need to not engage in an all out war and he out boxes him everytime. Even if he did go in to have a tear out 99 times out of 100 Joshua lands first and its game over.

Just seen the news on the Ruiz Jr fight... AJ should get far away from Hearn, if that is the sort of fight that he is making.

It’s disappointing. The current heavyweight scene is disappointing at the top. Wilder facing his mandatory is acceptable. Miller wasn’t really acceptable, but was billed as the breakout. Still not really good enough it can be argued. Ruiz is going to get a good hiding.

The worst of the bunch by a mile is Schwarz though! Shocking. Ruiz and Breazeale would kill him
 

Paolo10

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Don’t forget though, Fury didn’t actually get dropped by a single huge bomb from Wilder. The first knockdown was a cuffing shot that looked like it had nothing behind it. The second and famous knockdown was actually delivered whilst Fury was on his way down from a lighter shot, reducing the impact when it connected.
Contrary to popular belief, Wilder didn’t hit Fury with his hardest shot at any point in the fight. I think that’s why there’s a bit of reluctance from Fury for the rematch, certainly when it came to an immediate rematch.

Of the two knockdowns, I’d say Klitschko possibly landed the bigger shot. Fury’s rise was incredible though.

It’s all part of why these fights have to happen. For what it’s worth, I believe Joshua gets to Wilder first. More accurate, more aggressive ( certainly earlier ) and his shots travel a shorter distance than Wilders. I think he beats him to the punch basically. Early too

The point stands that if AJ got hit in the same manner in a similar situation to Fury, I really doubt he's getting up.

He's hardly fought anyone of real value yet despite being the Champion IMHO. Vlad was well past his best (at 41) when he gave him his biggest test in those 5th and 6th Rounds.

Wilder is more than capable of putting AJ out tbh. Besides the Klitschko fight I dont think AJ's chin has really been tested tbh...and he was in big trouble then.
 

SugarRay

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The point stands that if AJ got hit in the same manner in a similar situation to Fury, I really doubt he's getting up.

He's hardly fought anyone of real value yet despite being the Champion IMHO. Vlad was well past his best (at 41) when he gave him his biggest test in those 5th and 6th Rounds.

Wilder is more than capable of putting AJ out tbh. Besides the Klitschko fight I dont think AJ's chin has really been tested tbh...and he was in big trouble then.

Can be argued that was the best Wlad had looked for years. On his toes, aggressive, he came to win knowing he had be brave and go for the knockout. Was a great test for Joshua whether that is true or not, and did him the world of good.

I believe the shot Joshua got hit with from Wlad was harder than anything Fury took off Wilder. He got up and knocked his opponent out. Joshua is’nt some kind of soft touch. To beat him you’ll have to go through hell to do it I think. He looked gassed and was knocked down heavy yet got up and smiled, took it to Wlad and beat him.

He’s got the best resume of all the current heavies and has the least experience. Fury only beat Wlad and Wilder only has Ortiz. After that what’s their best wins? Joshua has Wlad, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin. All convincing too. Breazeale ( who would be both Fury and Wilders second best wins ) got battered too. Even Takam and Molina would feature on Fury/Wilder’s best 2/3 wins.

I agree Wilder could knock him out. He does seem to carry serious power. I also think Wilder could knock anyone in the current division out too. Just want to see them all getting it on against each other! So frustrating.
So many potential variations amongst the three. Fury beats Wilder, Wilder stops Joshua, Joshua stops Fury for example...

Personally I think in a few years and if we have seen them all fight, we’ll look back and chuckle at how close we had it all before it happened. I get the feeling Joshua takes out Wilder early and then stops big Tyson too

How do you see it all playing out, assuming it ever happens of course!
 

dontcallme

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It’s disappointing. The current heavyweight scene is disappointing at the top. Wilder facing his mandatory is acceptable. Miller wasn’t really acceptable, but was billed as the breakout. Still not really good enough it can be argued. Ruiz is going to get a good hiding.

The worst of the bunch by a mile is Schwarz though! Shocking. Ruiz and Breazeale would kill him

The frustrating thing is while Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Whyte and Miller might not be truly elite they are capable of having great matches against each other.

They’re just not making the matches happen. Like so often money is getting in the way of sport.
 

dontcallme

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Actually looking forward to Price v Allen. Not sure who will win and they will slug it out.
 

Paolo10

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Maybe by a round for me, he faded pretty badly, which kind of surprised me.

Alvarez has a hell of a fucking chin on him! Ate some big shots...Jacobs has a few crosses that seem to come from nowhere in his armoury!
 

SugarRay

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I think Canelo won with a bit to spare. 3/4 rounds. Jacobs didn’t do enough

Sky’s commentary is so poor. I switched it off! Smith growling and Froch genuinely seems to know nothing at all. Not sure how he gets the gig, especially as he has zero personality to offset his tired and often pointless cliches.
Caldwell showed him up on the bits I caught.
 

$hoguN

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I think Canelo won with a bit to spare. 3/4 rounds. Jacobs didn’t do enough

Sky’s commentary is so poor. I switched it off! Smith growling and Froch genuinely seems to know nothing at all. Not sure how he gets the gig, especially as he has zero personality to offset his tired and often pointless cliches.
Caldwell showed him up on the bits I caught.

Had Canelo by two rounds, giving him a couple of later rounds based on cleaner work. Jacobs just wasn’t catching him clean.

Hoping Breazeale beats Wilder this weekend as it will be a victory in itself just not having to hear Wilder talk bollocks. I give Breazeale almost no chance actually winning but hey-ho one can hope
 

$hoguN

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I really do think he should more worried about AJ killing him in the ring than him killing anyone else
 

dontcallme

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If he has been I'm sure it's part of the show. Gotta sell them tickets

The thing is with your lower talents the sad truth is speaking out and being a prick can get higher sales.

The heavyweight champ shouldn’t need to stoop to this but Wilder doesn’t appear to have much of a fan base in his own country let alone anywhere else.
 

$hoguN

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The thing is with your lower talents the sad truth is speaking out and being a prick can get higher sales.

The heavyweight champ shouldn’t need to stoop to this but Wilder doesn’t appear to have much of a fan base in his own country let alone anywhere else.
Because he is a ****
 
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