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Frozen_Waffles

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Jan 26, 2005
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Cast your minds back, Spurs versus Sevilla in the UEFA Cup second leg Spurs dead and buried at 2-0 down at WHL, watch the highlights of that match and you cannot help but feel a sense of pride to be part of Tottenham Hotspur football club.

Defoe and Lennon get us back in to the game it's 2-2 with 20 minutes to go, the crowd are screaming "Martin Jol's blue and white army", now look at the faces of the Spurs players all with looks of steel including the manager, they all want this win they all would have bled white that night. See the look in Keane and Berbatov's eye, they had no wish to leave Spurs that day.

We were knocked out of the UEFA cup that night, but we were a club on the up we had a manager that had a love for Spurs and their fans, we had a team that were fighting for every ball.

The camera will occasionally pan across to the Spanish manager in the opposite dugout, an up and comer in the managerial world, he would later manage the prestigious Real Madrid after a failed venture in England.

The dream looks to have ended, we are now throwing money at players such as Craig Bellamy as we look to sell our souls for any sort of success. If I was an Arsenal secret agent i could not have done a better job at taking apart the Spurs team, first i would get rid of the loyal talented young manager who has Spurs in his heart, get in a couple of mercenaries (Ramos and Commoli) get them to sell our loyal hard working players like Malbranque and Tainio (a spurs fan!!) and then sack them both halfway through a season.

Then in what stinks of desperation we get a manager who has been investigated for fraud and has a shady past at best. He is now given a warchest to bring in a substitute and a Honduran midfielder for almost the same cost as our first 11 (bar Berbatov) that won the Carling cup.

I shudder at how quickly we ALL have destroyed Tottenham Hotspur FC, it sounds like a sad film.

We have gone from a manager that would not moan and would show an air of class every time he spoke as he knew that Spurs were a team with morals. A club who would not discuss it's transfer deals until they were completed, a manager who would not criticise our under confidence striker in public.

However rather than sit here and moan any more and rather than try to re-sign the Spurs players who were so foolishly sold I suggest another route. This is where you come in Mr Levy, make up for your devastating mistakes and you can! Wait until the end of the season and thank Mr Redknapp for his efforts, take a trip to Germany and offer Hamburg a sum of money, lets say 10 million and ask to speak to their manager.

We give Martin Jol FULL CHARGE of the running of the football club and ask him to appoint his own staff and a DOF. The next step is simple, back him to the hill until he decides it is enough.

Because in the end what is better blind success or a belief that we are all in it together, a club that plays attractive football, a club that sticks together, ignore the media and create the club we had and not the laughing stock of the Premiership, which is what we have today. We can change things.
 

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Oct 1, 2003
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Levy will never have Jol back

He has stated why

Move on
 

sigurdl

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Nov 7, 2004
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if i ever get enough money, i will buy spurs and give martin jol full control
 

18Klinsmann

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Aug 31, 2005
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A sad development it is indeed, and I share your sentiments all the way. Reading Ode to Jol once more won't help. The dream is over and everything is up in the air and this season (and our future with it) could go either way... Don't you just love the thrill of supporting this club:hump:
 

spurs_viola

Rui Costa,dreamspurs no10
Mar 10, 2005
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Talk about rose-tinted, misty memories from the selective corners of our minds...

"Give Martin Jol FULL CHARGE of the running of the club"? Same Martin Jol who forced out Edgar Davids and Pedro Mendes in favour of Jenas, whom he never EVER substituted let alone drop when not injured; who stuck with players like Stalteri for over a season when it was clear to the majority of the fans that he just wasn't good enough - and then finally dropped him (so basically, it took him more than a year to come to the same conclusion as most fans'); who would stubbornly continue to play Robinson even when it was painfully clear that he sadly became a liability for the team; who relegated Defoe (arguably one of the very few truly committed to Spurs players) to the 3rd-4th choice role and time after time sent him on with 10-12 min left and then claiming Defoe played more or less the same number of games as Keane - and that started the spiral which eventually led to Defoe leaving the club; the same Jol who allowed the squad become so worryingly short of fitness and mental sharpness?...

I could go on, but as well as remembering a lot of good things that Jol brought to the club, we must not just close our eyes to the obvious deficiencies there.
 

asianspur

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Apr 29, 2004
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Yes Viola, thats the same MartinJol that got us 5th places twice and what has happened since?????
 

spurs_viola

Rui Costa,dreamspurs no10
Mar 10, 2005
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Yes Viola, thats the same MartinJol that got us 5th places twice and what has happened since?????

Same rose-tinted glasses...Martin Jol HELPED us get 5th places twice - and many would argue that he helped lose the 4th place in 2005-06 season with negative, cautious tactics and sticking with players like Stalteri as RB, which cost us quite a few points in the 2nd half of that season.

King playing almost permanently in defence and Naybet's experience, Carrick + Davids in midfield and Defoe + Mido were much more important in nearly getting the 4th place that season.

Berbatov at the top of his form and the absence of serious competition for the 5th place in 2006-07 season got us the 5th place more than Jol.
 

DiscoD1882

SC Supporter
Mar 27, 2006
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As Kevin Keegan once said.............."I would love it"

It wont happen. I was at the game with my now wife and a she stated that a little bit of wee came out when that second goal went in. What anatmosphere! shame we didnt go on and an even bigger shame that the beloved Mr Jol is no longer with us. For me he was the manager of my generation. The man who made me enjoy watching spurs and not watching mediocrity. Which unfortunatley we had before and we now have again. I am behind Harry. He needs time. But would love to see the big guy back. fingers crossed.
 

sebo_sek

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Jun 2, 2005
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While against him at the time, I have now come to realise that Comolli was the main reason for his demise.

Just imagine Petrov on the left, Lennon on the right - not to mention Petrov's giudance and tutoring in the young lad's development.

Distin on a free to partner King/Dawson. I think MJ would have seen Woodgate as a transfer option, him being English and all.

We can't say for sure that Berbatov wouldn't have left, but I think Keane wouldn't, as it was Jol who prompted Benitez to buy him in the first place with a "why doesn't anyone want him?" article in the Times.

I would welcome Jol back with full transfer control. Oh, what players he would bring.

I agree about Malbranque and Tainio as well - a massive mistake. Tainio though injury-prone was at the heart of the CC winning team.

Good old days, though full of mistakes they were. Stalteri did cost us goals on several occasions, but so did Dawson and King from set pieces, so it all evens out. he sold mendes with Carrick in the squad and later admitted it was a mistake - had the balls to do so.

I guess you only realise what you had, when it's gone!
 

AdelaideSpur

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I too agree that some of us seem to be wearing rose tinted glasses. You paint a very murky picture but its only murky because of the way the piece is written. It could easily be changed around by suggesting we got rid of Tanio because he was injured for more than 50% of the time, and when he wasn't injured he was a Steffan Freund in disguise. We got in one of the most acclaimed and up and coming managers in the world to rescue us from a very sloppy season, which then culminated in a trophy. When it comes down to it, whoever the manager is, Jol, Ramos, Arry, Hughes, O'niel, Mourninho as long as we are winning we are very happy, but as soon as we have a bad trott we as 'fans' call for thier heads and they are soon on thier way.
 

avonspurs

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Apr 28, 2006
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OMG! I thought we only lived on past glories when it came to having a lack of trophies and success; now we're doing it for managers as well!! I liked Jol; felt he had done a lot for the club. At the same time, I also saw that he had his shortcomings (as we all do). Who's to say that if he had stayed in charge, we wouldnt have got relegated that season?! He has gone; get over it, deal with it, get counselling, get drunk, do whatever, but stop going on about him!!
 

the shelf

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Jan 8, 2009
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Talk about rose-tinted, misty memories from the selective corners of our minds...

"Give Martin Jol FULL CHARGE of the running of the club"? Same Martin Jol who forced out Edgar Davids and Pedro Mendes in favour of Jenas, whom he never EVER substituted let alone drop when not injured; who stuck with players like Stalteri for over a season when it was clear to the majority of the fans that he just wasn't good enough - and then finally dropped him (so basically, it took him more than a year to come to the same conclusion as most fans'); who would stubbornly continue to play Robinson even when it was painfully clear that he sadly became a liability for the team; who relegated Defoe (arguably one of the very few truly committed to Spurs players) to the 3rd-4th choice role and time after time sent him on with 10-12 min left and then claiming Defoe played more or less the same number of games as Keane - and that started the spiral which eventually led to Defoe leaving the club; the same Jol who allowed the squad become so worryingly short of fitness and mental sharpness?...

I could go on, but as well as remembering a lot of good things that Jol brought to the club, we must not just close our eyes to the obvious deficiencies there.

Unfortunately spot on. People tend to look back on that time with rose coloured glasses, but the reality was somewhat different. Add 'an inability to EVER beat or come close to beating any of the top four' into your list. I'm not saying Harry is any better than Jol, believe me I have reservations, but Martin Jol, lovely guy though he was and a gentleman, was not in Levy's mind up to the task of taking Tottenham forward at the time and I actually agree with him. Of course the fact it went terribly wrong with Ramos makes it easy for people to say "we should'nt have sacked Jol blah blah blah" but people forget that Jol lost the dressing room and had run out of ideas by the time he got the bullet. Nice guy yes, tactically aware, most definitely not.
 

SpursMadDave

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Feb 26, 2005
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Talk about rose-tinted, misty memories from the selective corners of our minds...

"Give Martin Jol FULL CHARGE of the running of the club"? Same Martin Jol who forced out Edgar Davids and Pedro Mendes in favour of Jenas, whom he never EVER substituted let alone drop when not injured; who stuck with players like Stalteri for over a season when it was clear to the majority of the fans that he just wasn't good enough - and then finally dropped him (so basically, it took him more than a year to come to the same conclusion as most fans'); who would stubbornly continue to play Robinson even when it was painfully clear that he sadly became a liability for the team; who relegated Defoe (arguably one of the very few truly committed to Spurs players) to the 3rd-4th choice role and time after time sent him on with 10-12 min left and then claiming Defoe played more or less the same number of games as Keane - and that started the spiral which eventually led to Defoe leaving the club; the same Jol who allowed the squad become so worryingly short of fitness and mental sharpness?...

I could go on, but as well as remembering a lot of good things that Jol brought to the club, we must not just close our eyes to the obvious deficiencies there.

I don't agree with the original post but to be fair he stuck with Staltieri for a season because we conceded less goals than we had for decades....

Its easy to remember good times when things are bad... lets not forget we won the league cup with George Graham too... he isnt managing at the moment...
 
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