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That's not how Klopp, Guardiola or for that matter Atreta built their teams. They were uncompromising about their system
They all evolved their systems.
Man city today do not play the same way they did in 2016.
That's not how Klopp, Guardiola or for that matter Atreta built their teams. They were uncompromising about their system
Hope people aren’t going onboard that train! The performance today was woeful.Ha ha you can see that everyone is tiptoeing around the "he's got to go" line, waiting for someone else to say it.
Very good points.There's no doubt at all that the first 10 games created an expectation that realistically we were never likely to deliver on over a full season.
But we have two glaring structural issues that show absolutely no signs of being fixed. Defending against counter attacks and defending set pieces. It's those two same issues week after week after week.
At home we usually create enough chances to win anyway, but that deserts us far too often away from home and that's why games like today and Fulham away happen.
That’s is a fair point. Plan A has been be incredibly effective for it to be the only option.The difference between Ange and the likes of Klopp, Guardiola, Artwata etc is that they're *capable* of being dynamic with their system and switching to a more pragmatic style if it's needed. We just do the same shit over and over again, "plan B is to do plan A better" is all good and well when games are being won but when they're not, the team just gets made to look totally impotent. And we're conceding absolutely comical goals because our coach and his team very obviously can't (or don't think they need to) coach a defence. "Have a fast centre back and hope for the best" isn't a sustainable tactic.
The alarm bells are getting louder.
Agree. I don’t want change. But you know it will be the case.Can't keep changing coaches and expect to ever progress.
Liverpool lost 3-0 at home midweek…Top team should never lose like this, manager should have to explain himself to his boss after this game.
I’ve been saying to a Utd friend of mine for a while that I’m really concerned about next season when we start playing two games a week regularly for exactly this reason.Ange tactics are really demanding on players. It's been said multiple times. It worked like a charm at the start of the season because everyone was at 100%. As the season advanced players got more fatigued, and we play worse every week.
This won't change until Ange changes his tactics to something more balanced. Zone marking on set pieces, high line. This is suicide if players are tired
Liverpool lost 3-0 at home midweek…
Arsenal got beat badly a few times under Arteta even in his 2nd season…
Most managers have their favourites and whilst I agree PEH deserved to start, I think it’s a bit OTT for that to be a reason to ‘already be done with him’.First time I am losing confidence on Ange. Not because of his plan A only tactics. But somehow his reluctance to bench Bissouma. Bissouma been costing us for a while now. And Ange showing no inclination to have bench him
If he starts Bissouma against Arsneal, I am already done with him. It would give me zero confidence in Ange to get it right.
Liverpool lost 3-0 at home midweek…
Arsenal got beat badly a few times under Arteta even in his 2nd season…
Fair mate and yep let’s see how it all goesLiverpool benched half their first team and thought they would get away with it
Arsenal - true. But Arteta changed his style and adapted. Jury is still out on how Ange will handle things if opponents worked his tactics out
Mate they're probably the best club side on the planet. We'll never get anywhere near that level with our owners.We're embarking on an experiment to see whether you can play and achieve results like Citeh on a smaller budget.
That's my suspicion. We might maybe get ourselves back in and around the top 4 but more than that without the naked financial doping for a decade+, I'm very sceptical.Mate they're probably the best club side on the planet. We'll never get anywhere near that level with our owners.
But do we care about other teams as a comparison ? I don’t. I care about us.
I'm 100% behind this. We won't be a serious club if Ange continues to start at Bissouma, I don't care if that could lower his confidence, him playing every week is our main weakness. This is so frustrating because it is so obvious.Man for man marking can be easily beaten, if players in midfield are brave and tenacious.
Today, Newcastle went man for man not allowing us to build up. Vicario had no Richarlison to hit upfront as well .
Bissouma went into his shell, gave away possession, not fight, being a coward. To fight I mean to be busy & alert to get to those 2nd balls. Bissouma got bullied, Maddison got bullied but were just whining at ref instead of taking the game into their hands.
And Ange let it happen. Why the fuck Bissouma been started ? He did the exact same thing last week and was subbed at HT. ? Why does Ange have to play him ? For what reason Skipp is not even in matchday squad ? Is Skipp that far worse than this Bissouma ? Ange has to take the blame for getting the selection wrong