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Has anyone got an adjusted graph that takes away the brainfarts? The eye test says we'd be right down there with the Arse?
Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou
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Schoon-related
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Which is what I thought first looking at this graph. But bottom left is not (0, 0) so it makes the differences appear to be much greater than they actually are.
bubble07
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Fuck the scum are in a great spot on that graph
PaulThurston
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Yes, but where were they three years ago?
We're going to move left as we get better players.
Arsenal’s graph is impressive, although not that surprising given they have the best defensive record in the league this season.
I wonder does the graph take into account penalties? I’m not sure what difference it would make to the averages, but we have conceded 6 penalties, the joint highest in the league, compared to Arsenal’s 2.
If the xg of penalties is .76 that’s 4.56 expected goals conceded through penalties by us compared to Arsenal’s 1.52.
I wonder does the graph take into account penalties? I’m not sure what difference it would make to the averages, but we have conceded 6 penalties, the joint highest in the league, compared to Arsenal’s 2.
If the xg of penalties is .76 that’s 4.56 expected goals conceded through penalties by us compared to Arsenal’s 1.52.
Yeah there’s been lots of comparisons to Arsenal, which is fair if we are using that as a benchmark of what is possible given four or five years of work and investment.
As you say, we would have to look at where they were a few years ago if we want to use them as a yardstick.
fishhhandaricecake
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So it’s the volume of shots that is the issue as well as the quality of chances we are giving up. Villa quite similar interestingly.
fishhhandaricecake
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We give up more shots and bigger chances in combination to opposition teams than Arsenal, City, Villa, Brighton and Liverpool. The rest of the league give up more shots per game than us but not such big quality of chances per shot.
We give up the 2nd highest quality of chances to teams, 2nd to only Villa (likely due to our high lines), City are not far off both of us on this stat.
Arsenals defence is by far the best this season in terms of both fewest amount of shots and quality of shots given to opponents on average per game.
Super simplified: our high line and style of play leaves us more exposed defensively than most teams in the top 8, however we do tend to limit the amount of shots the opponents have by dominating a lot of the ball.
fishhhandaricecake
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Yep as we get better players and give Ange more time I’d expect us to move down and to the left a bit more, certainly left a bit more but we will always be quite high on that graph like City and Villa because of our style of play.
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Arsenal have also been very good at not giving up set-piece opportunities in vulnerable positions.
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ralvy
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Ange might be the best coach in the league right now, the amount of games he's able to tilt in our favor midway by moving a few pieces here and there, midway a match, is unreal. And next season he might not even need to do that all that often, since he likely will become better at planing games in advance according to the opposition with the experience he's gaining this season.
Ange might be Daniel Levy's biggest win after the stadium, and hopefully his impact will end up being as monumental as our new stadium.
Ange might be Daniel Levy's biggest win after the stadium, and hopefully his impact will end up being as monumental as our new stadium.
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fishhhandaricecake
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I know his squad with Palace is inferior to ours and he’s only 2 games into the job but the Defensive and underwhelming Palace performance and style of play which MOTD compared to Hogson ironically is exactly why I was so so against us getting Glasner.
So so glad we got Ange and we play the lovely style of football that we do.
Great win and comeback today and good team selection and subs imo.
So so glad we got Ange and we play the lovely style of football that we do.
Great win and comeback today and good team selection and subs imo.
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Am loving the fact that we never appear to be beaten until the final whistle is blown. Tottenham teams of the past have been known for dropping their heads when we go behind and struggling to find a way back into games, how many points this year is it from losing positions now?
The flipside of this argument is - why do we keep making things so hard for ourselves and needing impact subs to come from behind every time? I know it's hard to dominate an entire game for 90 minutes but it's not unreasonable to ask us to be on top in both halves, especially against weaker sides at home, is it not?
The flipside of this argument is - why do we keep making things so hard for ourselves and needing impact subs to come from behind every time? I know it's hard to dominate an entire game for 90 minutes but it's not unreasonable to ask us to be on top in both halves, especially against weaker sides at home, is it not?
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The commentary on the coverage I was watching said Glasner stayed with a similar style to Roy due to the timing in the season. That and they were without Olise as well. Be interesting to see with a pre-season how much does change.
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We were on top in both halves...we absolutely dominated Palace.
Our problem lately seems to be an inability to capitalise on this dominance earlier in the game.
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The pattern seems to be that although we dominate games, we play with more energy in the second half and create more openings and chances. Could be a number of reasons for that related to general tactics or game-specific where we have to come from behind etc.,
Palace worked very hard to close us down in the first half but appeared to tire in the second half.
jurgen11
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Said this at game , they tired and we had some fresh legs on . Good game plan for teams that sit back ?
Yeah I think this is often the way when we come up against teams at home who we are expected to dominate. They work really hard which it makes it very difficult for us in the first half, but generally they game opens up in the second half as they tire.
I think this has been a problem for years to be honest. Not just for us either: all of the top teams have similar issues to overcome. Not in every match, but it is a regular problem which the top teams encounter.
For example look at some of City’s recent results: Bt Everton 2-1 at home (scored in 71 and 85 min) Bt Brentford at home, 1-0 (scored in 71 min), Drew Chelsea at home 1-1 (equalised 83 min).
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