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joey55

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Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I think we should move Son to striker permanently from the summer. He will be 32 and there is no way he can keep playing the wide role in our system with the necessary energy and intensity imo. Plus he isn't really suited to the wide role anyway.

Gil should leave and Deki should be moved to midfield, he just doesn't have the mobility and pace required to play wide in our system to make us a consistent threat.

I would use Solomon as a 3rd choice wide player for either side, which we will need if we are in the CL or EL.

So I'd have:

ST: Son, Richarlison, Veliz
LW: New Signing, Werner, Solomon
RW: New Signing, Johnson, Solomon


In regards to Johnson, his weaknesses are magnified by the fact we don't have any wide players with the correct profile to play opposite him (or even rotate with him).

Not saying this would happen but if we had Williams and Neto in our squad, then the blend of profiles out wide would mean Johnson could be paired opposite a much more rounded player which would help him and us as a team.
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I agree with all of that, bar one thing, which is I just don't see it with Werner. I get he's cheap so that makes it very tempting, but I'd rather spend that money on a youngster with a similar profile to Nusa. I think we need the two "first team" new signings you've mentioned, then I think we've got enough senior players in that role, as Sonny can still play there, though I agree his days are numbered at 32. But for me, even though he's contributed well so far, I just don't believe Werner has what it takes technically. A fast player that can't dribble, whose crosses rarely beat the first man and doesn't seem to be the best of finishers, is just hard sell for me.
 
yido_number1

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mil1lion said:
Yeah I think we have an option of 1 year if I'm not mistaken. I imagine we're just waiting to see how he looks in a year. Just in case he loses it which we've seen with the likes of Dembele and Vertonghen. He's still a top level and will be first choice next season. It's just whether we have a young prospect for the long run but we need to be patient with the ones we have. Maybe someone like Devine will be ready in a couple of years. Even Johnson himself could hit those heights for all we know. Have to remember how Son looked in his early 20s.
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Vertonghen was a special case and was seemingly suffering from concussion. We made a mistake there in hindsight.

We need players like Son attached to the squad. Of he's keen to stay id keep him as a club captain and throw him in for 10 minutes for his finishing.
 
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yido_number1 said:
Vertonghen was a special case and was seemingly suffering from concussion. We made a mistake there in hindsight.

We need players like Son attached to the squad. Of he's keen to stay id keep him as a club captain and throw him in for 10 minutes for his finishing.
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The case sort of still stands though, you never know what could happen to a player. It's maybe ok in your 20s but in your 30s those big injuries can be the end at the top level. Look at Perisic as a perfect example. I think those 30 plus players probably need to be on shorter contracts really. See how they go season to season but make sure you have these young prospects competing for their place and ready to replace them in future.

It kind of feels at this moment we have too many of the prospects in attack still developing their game. We don't have enough established players so I think Werner was a smart move for now but in the summer we need a long term solution. The issue with Johnson is being judged because Kulusevski (who himself is still growing) hasn't nailed a starting place. We lost the experienced Kane and signed Soloman and Johnson out wide who are on a much different level and still growing (and Veliz who is even younger now on loan).
 
Nick-TopSpursMan

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joey55 said:
I agree with all of that, bar one thing, which is I just don't see it with Werner. I get he's cheap so that makes it very tempting, but I'd rather spend that money on a youngster with a similar profile to Nusa. I think we need the two "first team" new signings you've mentioned, then I think we've got enough senior players in that role, as Sonny can still play there, though I agree his days are numbered at 32. But for me, even though he's contributed well so far, I just don't believe Werner has what it takes technically. A fast player that can't dribble, whose crosses rarely beat the first man and doesn't seem to be the best of finishers, is just hard sell for me.
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For what it's worth I totally agree with you about Werner and wouldn't sign him, I was just assuming the club will take up the option as it feels to me like he's already being spoken about long term.
 
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Watching Madueke tonight is annoying. Not only should we not have lost him, he was less than Johnson and look exactly what we need.

Rapid, strong, aggressive, assertive - frustrating.

Looks a really good player
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
Watching Madueke tonight is annoying. Not only should we not have lost him, he was less than Johnson and look exactly what we need.

Rapid, strong, aggressive, assertive - frustrating.

Looks a really good player
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A very impressive 1 open play goal and 0 assists in the PL this season. He also said Chelsea is the biggest club in London, no need. I'll take our Brennan any day.
 
spurs9

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NEVILLEB said:
If he ends up not being great let’s not keep him for 5 years. As others have said, players like Lennon hit the floor running at 17.
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Funny thing is, If Johnson keeps up his scoring and assisting rate for the rest of the season and plays a similar amount of minutes that he has played so far, he will equal Lennon's 2nd most productive league season for us with only 1 goal or assist behind Lennon's best ever season.

Lennon was a much better dribbler and caused the opposition more chaos, but end product wise, Johnson is not far behind Lennon's best.
 
spurs9

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punkisback said:
the thing is with him he does have potential. You can see us going for him if he was an 18 year starter in a championship team scoring double figures. It still gives him enough time to work on his technical and mental deficiencies; however at 22 years old at that price you get players at Odegaard or Palmer level. Not a decent early twenties championship player.
Question to all, obviously this season is his first season at a top six club. What should he do in terms of goals and assists next season to justify his place and price? What would you sell him for if you don’t rate him?
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Johnson is out performing Son's first season (5 goals and assists v 6) in slightly less minutes (1104 v 1039) and Son was 23. Lets wait until next season to judge him.
 
spurs9

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Nick-TopSpursMan said:
I think we should move Son to striker permanently from the summer. He will be 32 and there is no way he can keep playing the wide role in our system with the necessary energy and intensity imo. Plus he isn't really suited to the wide role anyway.

Gil should leave and Deki should be moved to midfield, he just doesn't have the mobility and pace required to play wide in our system to make us a consistent threat.

I would use Solomon as a 3rd choice wide player for either side, which we will need if we are in the CL or EL.

So I'd have:

ST: Son, Richarlison, Veliz
LW: New Signing, Werner, Solomon
RW: New Signing, Johnson, Solomon


In regards to Johnson, his weaknesses are magnified by the fact we don't have any wide players with the correct profile to play opposite him (or even rotate with him).

Not saying this would happen but if we had Williams and Neto in our squad, then the blend of profiles out wide would mean Johnson could be paired opposite a much more rounded player which would help him and us as a team.
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Assuming that that is 2 x new signings for the wing and not just 1 new signing covering 2 positions (like you have Solomon), that would be 7 non-HG players and 1 HG player for 3 positions, leaving us with just slots for 10 non HG, 2 HG and 4 club trained for the other 8 positions.

Personally, I think the only nailed on starters we have for the front 3 are Son at LW and Richy at Striker, so would keep them there and bring a 1st choice RW (which should be our priority in the summer IMO).

As harsh as it sounds, I would move Solomon on to. He missed 17 league games last season for Fulham and has missed 16 so far this season and we will be struggling with too many non-HG players as it is (for Europe), we can't carry him in the squad and the same goes for Lo Celso IMO.
 
Misfit

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Certainly if Solomon gets another lengthy injury we should be looking to move on. Same with GLC, as you say. Sad, they're good players but that's not much good for us if they don't play much.
 
BorjeSpurs

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spurs9 said:
As harsh as it sounds, I would move Solomon on to. He missed 17 league games last season for Fulham and has missed 16 so far this season and we will be struggling with too many non-HG players as it is (for Europe), we can't carry him in the squad and the same goes for Lo Celso IMO.
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It's over 200 days until the next window shuts. While he could be moved out already in the summer he could still have a really good rest of the season. He was bright in pre-season and the first few games with us.

Another thing to remember is that it is very rare for us to buy someone (yes, I know he was on a free) and sell them 1 year later. A permanent signing haven't joined and then been sold a year later since Stambouli, iirc.
 
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BorjeSpurs said:
It's over 200 days until the next window shuts. While he could be moved out already in the summer he could still have a really good rest of the season. He was bright in pre-season and the first few games with us.

Another thing to remember is that it is very rare for us to buy someone (yes, I know he was on a free) and sell them 1 year later. A permanent signing haven't joined and then been sold a year later since Stambouli, iirc.
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He could have a good rest of the season, but that wouldn't change the fact that he has missed at least 33 league games (and counting) in 2 seasons, which is a shame, as I think he could have added a lot this season.

I agree that it is unlikely, but lets face it, we would have sold Spence after 1 season if we could have found a buyer.
 
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spurs9 said:
Funny thing is, If Johnson keeps up his scoring and assisting rate for the rest of the season and plays a similar amount of minutes that he has played so far, he will equal Lennon's 2nd most productive league season for us with only 1 goal or assist behind Lennon's best ever season.

Lennon was a much better dribbler and caused the opposition more chaos, but end product wise, Johnson is not far behind Lennon's best.
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Is that right? I remember him getting 5 asssist vs Wigan one year, so if that’s the case that’s pretty interesting
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
Is that right? I remember him getting 5 asssist vs Wigan one year, so if that’s the case that’s pretty interesting
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The premier league record for assists in 1 game is 4.

Lennon got 3 assists and 1 goal in that Wigan game and that was in his most productive season, finishing with 3 goals and 10 assists.
 
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No way should we sell this player.

I get it as have been critical of him, decision making seems to be a second too slow, his aggression not quite there and not trying to beat a player, he can be coached on a couppe pf those though and hopefully thr decision making can improve, he has potential and in a typical forst year, without thr injuries he woukdnt have featured as much so his confidence on appearances and popping up woth the odd goal contribution would have been better for him.

Lets see what he can do next season with a more settled squad
 
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Anyone who thinks we should sell Johnson is basically an idiot. Lad has potential and is contributing despite being thrust into a much bigger team and being relied on to perform. Give him time and he could be really good
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
Watching Madueke tonight is annoying. Not only should we not have lost him, he was less than Johnson and look exactly what we need.

Rapid, strong, aggressive, assertive - frustrating.

Looks a really good player
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he might be for sale in the summer 😂
 
Mr Pink

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Johnson is contributing no doubt about it.

His numbers are pretty respectable.

Now, with more confidence, he could be a devestating player for us.

Next season, and well into it, will be the time to judge him more.

I think he's going to be class for us.
 
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spurs9 said:
Johnson is out performing Son's first season (5 goals and assists v 6) in slightly less minutes (1104 v 1039) and Son was 23. Lets wait until next season to judge him.
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He also has hit the woodwork and had a couple of close offside calls. With a bit more luck he has a few ore goals and the entire narrative is different. Keep the faith.
 
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