Manager Watch: Ange Postecoglou

Sp3akerboxxx · Feb 4, 2024

Sp3akerboxxx said:
I wouldn't agree with that either.

They are more than happy to get Haaland to run the ball to the corner flag and keep it there when they want to run down the clock

Had a refresher of the last couple of games they were leading by 1 near the end of the game.

Against Luton he brought on Akanji for Foden to see the game out.

Against us he brought on Kovacic for Alvarez when they were leading 3-2.

mil1lion · Feb 4, 2024

Sp3akerboxxx said:
I wouldn't agree with that either.

They are more than happy to get Haaland to run the ball to the corner flag and keep it there when they want to run down the clock

That scenario is just normal for every team including us. I'm talking about his approach to a game. He's not going to try nick a game one nil or set up shop and play it long with certain opponents.

mil1lion · Feb 4, 2024

Sp3akerboxxx said:
Had a refresher of the last couple of games they were leading by 1 near the end of the game.

Against Luton he brought on Akanji for Foden to see the game out.

Against us he brought on Kovacic for Alvarez when they were leading 3-2.

We brought on Dragusin yesterday to see the game out. That's just final minutes management at one goal in front. All managers do that stuff.

YB123 · Feb 4, 2024

Mr Pink said:
You're wrong on that.

We had more control in the second half.

We lost control when Maddison went off and Gill/Skipp came on.

This is a regular occurence. When these types of subs come on, we significantly weaken.

Ange's in-game management and subs have been very good this season. Look at Brentford midweek. It changed the game.

However yesterday he got it horribly wrong, it happens. Bringing on two short players who dont retain possession well when the other teams only threat is set pieces, was very very odd. Almost like he made changes for the sake of things.

marion52 · Feb 5, 2024

TOLBINY said:
Being entertained may well be what it's all about for some fans, for me, it's about being the best. If we can do that in an entertaining way, that's a bonus in my eyes - but I would take being the best (in the Prem or European comp) over being entertained.

Would you take the next ten years of what you have seen so far this season if it meant finishing 4th or 5th and not winning any of the cup comps?

No I wouldn’t, I want to win things as much as any Spurs fan, but it’s good to enjoy the ride.
In Conte‘s first months it was great but the second season

So I appreciate exciting football but, yes, you are right, not to the exclusion of not winning trophies

Trix · Feb 5, 2024

YB123 said:
This is a regular occurence. When these types of subs come on, we significantly weaken.

Ange's in-game management and subs have been very good this season. Look at Brentford midweek. It changed the game.

However yesterday he got it horribly wrong, it happens. Bringing on two short players who dont retain possession well when the other teams only threat is set pieces, was very very odd. Almost like he made changes for the sake of things.

Ange is learning about his squad and the league itself just as the players are learning his sytem and how to play together.

It was another point away from home, and Ange is still keeping pace with Pep as far as points per game in their first seasons in the league.

If we don't get top 4, so be it, as I said last week this is now a consistency issue, and continuity in training and on match days is what is needed to see us improve. They know what the manager wants now, and it's about learning how to integrate that as a group of individuals to become a team pulling in the same direction for 90+ minutes game in game out. Biss is back this week and Sonny the week after and when they do all of a sudden Gill and Skipp aren't coming on with such regularity. Another window and pre season and we will be on it imo until then it'll be up's and downs for sure.

Styopa · Feb 5, 2024

marion52 said:
No I wouldn’t, I want to win things as much as any Spurs fan, but it’s good to enjoy the ride.
In Conte‘s first months it was great but the second season
So I appreciate exciting football but, yes, you are right, not to the exclusion of not winning trophies

It’s not a choice that most fans, at least fans of English teams, have to make. The majority of successful English teams have been very entertaining to watch, from the great Man U teams of Ferguson, to Wenger’s Arsenal to Klopp’s Liverpool to Pep’s Man C. Even Mourinho’s Chelsea played entertaining football during his first tenure there.

Sure there have been individual trophies, matches and seasons where clubs have been successful by utilising a style of football that has been less than entertaining. But that goes against the grain of the last twenty years to thirty years of the Premier League, where most of the great dynasties have been built on really exciting football.

Dunc2610 · Feb 5, 2024

Trix said:
Ange is learning about his squad and the league itself just as the players are learning his sytem and how to play together.

It was another point away from home, and Ange is still keeping pace with Pep as far as points per game in their first seasons in the league.

If we don't get top 4, so be it, as I said last week this is now a consistency issue, and continuity in training and on match days is what is needed to see us improve. They know what the manager wants now, and it's about learning how to integrate that as a group of individuals to become a team pulling in the same direction for 90+ minutes game in game out. Biss is back this week and Sonny the week after and when they do all of a sudden Gill and Skipp aren't coming on with such regularity. Another window and pre season and we will be on it imo until then it'll be up's and downs for sure.

Ange has always said there'd be ups and down's and it won't all be plane sailing, think people lose sight of that, and are expecting us to be challenging for the title when infact we're doing damn well to be where we are.

Styopa · Feb 5, 2024

Sp3akerboxxx said:
Had a refresher of the last couple of games they were leading by 1 near the end of the game.

Against Luton he brought on Akanji for Foden to see the game out.

Against us he brought on Kovacic for Alvarez when they were leading 3-2.

Look at the bench options Pep has compared to us and virtually any other team though. Pep is clearly a brilliant manager, but game management is a bit easier when you have a squad like Man C.

spurs mental · Feb 5, 2024

Styopa said:
Look at the bench options Pep has compared to us and virtually any other team though. Pep is clearly a brilliant manager, but game management is a bit easier when you have a squad like Man C.

And yet, when he has to pick a team without Rodri in it, he and his team still struggles to some extent too.

Styopa · Feb 5, 2024

Dunc2610 said:
Ange has always said there'd be ups and down's and it won't all be plane sailing, think people lose sight of that, and are expecting us to be challenging for the title when infact we're doing damn well to be where we are.

The funny thing is go back to the start of this thread and there are loads of posts echoing what you have said above. In fact there are posts there predicting that we’ll take our fair share of hammerings due to the football we are trying to play, but that’s fine and we just need to be patient.

Go back to the Kane thread and see all the predictions about us being mid table or even being involved in a relegation battle if we sell Kane.

None of that has transpired. We seldom lose a match by more than 1 goal- I think it’s happened twice in 25 matches in all competitions this season- and we look a better team this season without Kane than we did last season with Kane.

I keep banging this drum but I think people will feel better about how things are going if they keep perspective. Some of the reaction to an away point at mid table team who are tough to play against has been over the top.

Styopa · Feb 5, 2024

spurs mental said:
And yet, when he has to pick a team without Rodri in it, he and his team still struggles to some extent too.

Yeah, and the assumption this season has been that as long as Man C keep in touch with Liverpool and Arsenal, they will probably catch them once Rodri and De Bruyne are fully firing.

Man C, with all their riches, still drop a couple levels when they are missing one or two key players. So obviously when the likes of Son, Bissouma, Maddiso Sarr etc are not available or fully fit that’s going to hit a team like us even harder.

Japhet · Feb 5, 2024

We're missing early season Bissouma. He was majestic and unplayable at times. If we can get him back to that level it will be a massive, massive plus.

mil1lion · Feb 5, 2024

Trix said:
Ange is learning about his squad and the league itself just as the players are learning his sytem and how to play together.

It was another point away from home, and Ange is still keeping pace with Pep as far as points per game in their first seasons in the league.

If we don't get top 4, so be it, as I said last week this is now a consistency issue, and continuity in training and on match days is what is needed to see us improve. They know what the manager wants now, and it's about learning how to integrate that as a group of individuals to become a team pulling in the same direction for 90+ minutes game in game out. Biss is back this week and Sonny the week after and when they do all of a sudden Gill and Skipp aren't coming on with such regularity. Another window and pre season and we will be on it imo until then it'll be up's and downs for sure.

We also go to a game a week for a bit which I'm sure will help. We essentially have another 2 week break coming up with Chelsea in the final as well. I hope we have most of our first team if not all fit again going into that short break. Then we can try push on and finish the season strong.

-Afri-Coy- · Feb 5, 2024

As a strong defender of both Conte and Mourinho, I can honestly say there is no point in making comparisons anymore.

We are night and day in terms of both personnel, tactics and the mood surrounding the club.

Ange has completely won me over, he has earned twice the patience and triple the admiration I had for our previous two managers in such a short space of time.

We can take solace in knowing that with patience, we are going to be both successful and extremely entertaining in the years to come.

COYS

easley91 · Feb 5, 2024

One of the major things I think some people may need to remember is how young the majority of the squad is. Much like when Poch first came in and he had a good core of young players he could mould and grow together, Ange has the same thing now. Plus the academy, two players coming in over the next two years.

This is a group that will learn and develop together with the manager, and we need to be patient with that. It's easy to forget that this is the first season due to how well we have done already. We as a fanbase need to not be on their backs at any mistake (which by the way even the best make them see VVD and Allison yesterday). Mistakes will happen, we will conceded a sloppy goal or two, we will lose a game or two. Let's continue to get behind them and show them the support.

Fergus · Feb 5, 2024

Having read the last 20 pages, I'm convinced some of you would be happier with Sean Dyche in charge.

jurgen11 · Feb 5, 2024

Fergus said:
Having read the last 20 pages, I'm convinced some of you would be happier with Sean Dyche in charge.

Ange has slightly gruffer voice - you'll never sing that !

ItsBoris · Feb 5, 2024

TOLBINY said:
Being entertained may well be what it's all about for some fans, for me, it's about being the best. If we can do that in an entertaining way, that's a bonus in my eyes - but I would take being the best (in the Prem or European comp) over being entertained.

Would you take the next ten years of what you have seen so far this season if it meant finishing 4th or 5th and not winning any of the cup comps?

The point to be made here is that sometimes if you're too obsessed with the end goal you might lose sight of the best strategy to achieve it. It's like if my goal was to make a lot of money, the best strategy to do that might not be to just take the highest paying job I can get at this instant. Maybe I go to school for several years, or I spend a lot of time and money starting a business. In other words I might do the opposite of my end goal in the short term to have a better outcome in the long term. Another example - being extremely selfish isn't the best thing for your long term self interest.

In the same way, playing entertaining, attacking football religiously might cost us points in the short term, maybe even over several years as we acclimate to doing so, but the idea is that in the long run it is the best strategy to become the best. Plus if we come up short it has the added benefit that it wasn't boring to watch.

mil1lion · Feb 5, 2024

It's a mute point because we haven't won anything for 15 years so entertaining football is the least we need at this moment in time. I can say that when I went to games the previous few seasons the atmosphere was toxic. That was because the football was dull to watch so the importance of winning is much higher. If you're going to be boring you need to be winning. That makes it very tense when you're not winning games. The players were being booed off at half time and often when the game was level. That's how much it means to play well or be winning.

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