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mil1lion

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JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
The price I believe is £31.5m including add-ons.

The fact they're getting it from a MUCH smaller PL club demonstrates where the market is.

We paid that for Moussa Sissoko in 2016 prices.

We paid £25m + Lamela for Gil.

We paid £47m for Johnson with a much more limited skill set. One so much coaching can do about that (though I still back him).

Nusa is proven at CL and International level, Sarr and Udogie were arguably not much more proven if at all.

Any player capable of replacing Son will cost £70-100m+, much bigger wages, AND likely have bigger suitors than us.

Not every signing we make, especially one aimed to complete our starting XI, is going to be a bargain.

Where we can be costs efficient, great, where we can't just build the team with the best players you can get.

Again Nusa isn't the only player, but it's still a huge miss and one I fear we'll regret as we did Kvara.
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I don't think those examples make it any better :LOL: and I don't want to be harsh on Johnson who has a lot of promise.
Fact is that our best deals have often been done for less than 30m. Kulusevski cost us less coming from Juve.
£30m is a fair chunk on what is very much a gamble. Sorry but there are plenty of players like this who pop up and end up nowhere near their hype years later.
The difference between us and Brentford is we can afford to sign more proven players and convince them to sign. They can't convince players like Dragusin or Maddison to join.
 
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JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
Nusa would get into our team very quickly given the lack of guile up front.

Which is probably why Ange wanted him now.

Otherwise why blow up the deal if he wouldn't have played him?

It doesn't make any sense.
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We were told that a deal was pretty much agreed but that Ange said no, not unless he comes now. So essentially we walked away because Brugge understandably insisted that he stays the season.

Now, that doesn't make sense to me if Ange and the club feel he is so good he is a player we simply must have, and so much so we need him now. To blow up the deal for that reason would be shooting ourselves in the foot just to be stubborn. Besides we are doing these loan deals more and more - we've just brought a 16 year old in Vuskovic who won't come for years.

The only way this situation makes sense IMO is if we were on the fence anyway, and the price we were discussing was only acceptable to us if the player was to join immediately - we would be able to input on his development and yes he would get his opportunities. He would still be behind Son, Werner, likely Solomon and would essentially be usurping Gil.

He has attributes the others don't have, for sure, so it's possible he could make an impact in some games. And we wanted that option for the price being discussed. But we weren't willing to pay it to only get the player in the summer, when other alternatives would be available, and would rather keep the money we have now which could still improve the squad during this window if opportunities arise.

Meanwhile Brugge said if you want him now, the price is even higher. We walked away at that point, but Brentford were willing to take a punt. Now you might very well be right and we live to regret the decision - my only point of contention is that I don't believe Ange wanted Nusa now because he is sure to go straight into the team, but because he felt the price being discussed wasn't justified to then loan him back.
 
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No way have we passed up on this because we was insisting on getting him now, makes no sense.
We literally signed a player this window in his same position plus our captain plays Left wing as does Solomon.

It looks like we bailed at the deal after conversations and didn’t see value in it, we walked away , we didn’t get gazumped.
And I think we’ve made the right decision, sensible business.
 
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JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
Call it what we like. We didn't get him because a smaller team with a fraction of our budget were prepared to outbid us.

And not a team with a reputation for reckless stupidity in the market, quite the opposite.



Veliz has a 10% sell on clause.

Hojbjerg too I believe.

It's quite common for us, just not as valuable to the seller as we're less likely to sell him for profit than Brentford.
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Where did you see that Veliz and PEH have sell ons?
I could maybe understand Veliz, being where he came from but cannot believe we gave Saints that option, unless maybe we have something reciprocal with KWP?

And did Brentford outbid us? I don't think we'd even got to the stage where we made a bid?
 
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ComfortablyNumb said:
Gazumped is exactly what we were. We made an offer that we thought was accepted, someone offered more and got the deal. It's not a bad thing, we should never pay more than our valuation for anything. But you can't say we weren't gazumped.
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As far as I saw, we made an enquiry but never an actual offer.
We can't get beaten to a player we decided was getting over-priced and walked away from, no matter how negatively you want to see the situation.
 
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I'm sure a lot of the people whinging that we didn't throw more money at Nusa are the same people saying we spent too much on Johnson...someone with considerably more experience.

Levy has earned his reputation for messing up transfer windows but this doesn't fall into this category and also comes off the back of a reasonable summer window and two good signings in January.

These complaints are clearly coming from people who will somehow find an issue with Levy even if we win the league.
 
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guernman said:
We were told that a deal was pretty much agreed but that Ange said no, not unless he comes now. So essentially we walked away because Brugge understandably insisted that he stays the season.

Now, that doesn't make sense to me if Ange and the club feel he is so good he is a player we simply must have, and so much so we need him now. To blow up the deal for that reason would be shooting ourselves in the foot just to be stubborn. Besides we are doing these loan deals more and more - we've just brought a 16 year old in Vuskovic who won't come for years.

The only way this situation makes sense IMO is if we were on the fence anyway, and the price we were discussing was only acceptable to us if the player was to join immediately - we would be able to input on his development and yes he would get his opportunities. He would still be behind Son, Werner, likely Solomon and would essentially be usurping Gil.

He has attributes the others don't have, for sure, so it's possible he could make an impact in some games. And we wanted that option for the price being discussed. But we weren't willing to pay it to only get the player in the summer, when other alternatives would be available, and would rather keep the money we have now which could still improve the squad during this window if opportunities arise.

Meanwhile Brugge said if you want him now, the price is even higher. We walked away at that point, but Brentford were willing to take a punt. Now you might very well be right and we live to regret the decision - my only point of contention is that I don't believe Ange wanted Nusa now because he is sure to go straight into the team, but because he felt the price being discussed wasn't justified to then loan him back.
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Maybe Ange was simply wanting him in now, to give the lad a chance to acclimatise and get used to the club, country and the tactics.
I doubt he was going to get any game-time this season, apart from maybe for the U21's but it would have given him time to settle in.
Then maybe a chance to impress in preseason and go from there.
 
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talkshowhost86 said:
I'm sure a lot of the people whinging that we didn't throw more money at Nusa are the same people saying we spent too much on Johnson...someone with considerably more experience.

Levy has earned his reputation for messing up transfer windows but this doesn't fall into this category and also comes off the back of a reasonable summer window and two good signings in January.

These complaints are clearly coming from people who will somehow find an issue with Levy even if we win the league.
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Exactly right.

Centre back was the area in desperate need of quality. We got that and were very decisive in moving for the available target.

After that we're looking for available quality. The Werner deal was another good deal.

It feels to me like we have our fingers on the pulse now. We're clearly being very proactive in looking for available quality. Sometimes deals will fail to materialise and sometimes that's because the deal wasn't to our liking.

As long as we continue to be as proactive as we are, the direction we're going in will be the right one.
 
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JamieSpursCommunityUser said:
The price I believe is £31.5m including add-ons.

The fact they're getting it from a MUCH smaller PL club demonstrates where the market is.

We paid that for Moussa Sissoko in 2016 prices.

We paid £25m + Lamela for Gil.

We paid £47m for Johnson with a much more limited skill set. One so much coaching can do about that (though I still back him).

Nusa is proven at CL and International level, Sarr and Udogie were arguably not much more proven if at all.

Any player capable of replacing Son will cost £70-100m+, much bigger wages, AND likely have bigger suitors than us.

Not every signing we make, especially one aimed to complete our starting XI, is going to be a bargain.

Where we can be costs efficient, great, where we can't just build the team with the best players you can get.

Again Nusa isn't the only player, but it's still a huge miss and one I fear we'll regret as we did Kvara.
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I don't think he's anywhere near where Kvara was on the eye test. Kvara singlehandedly bullied the Spanish national team playing for Georgia. Nusa has done nothing like that yet.

That's not to say that Nusa won't end up being great, it's just that Kvara seemed like an obvious buy(especially at £10-11m) where as Nusa doesn't seem such a no-brainer (especially at £30m) but time will tell.
 
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mil1lion said:
Sarr was around 15m
Udogie will be up to 20m
They want around 30m plus a fair bit of sell on as well

That's too steep for an unproven. Is he honestly worth that much more than Sarr or Udogie coming from a weaker league?
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We can't expect to find players like that for those sums all the time, it's extremely rare.
They would have been excellent signings if we had to pay 30-40 as well.
We're missing out on Nusa now for much less than we paid for Johnson, those who doubt him will see the difference soon.
 
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I don't think he's anywhere near where Kvara was on the eye test. Kvara singlehandedly bullied the Spanish national team playing for Georgia. Nusa has done nothing like that yet.

That's not to say that Nusa won't end up being great, it's just that Kvara seemed like an obvious buy(especially at £10-11m) where as Nusa doesn't seem such a no-brainer (especially at £30m) but time will tell.
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Kvaratskhelia was 20 when he put in his eye catching performance against Span where he bagged a goal. That’s 2 years older than Nusa is now. I think you’re underrating Nusa here tbh and I’m a massive fan of Kvaratskhelia. Physically yes Kvara was always more of a unit and it’s true Nusa is slight in comparison but I disagree that Nusa is bellow his level at the same age. Having watched him a good few times I think there is a very good chance Nusa could become a World Class star if he continues to develop how he has.
 
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rabbikeane said:
We can't expect to find players like that for those sums all the time, it's extremely rare.
They would have been excellent signings if we had to pay 30-40 as well.
We're missing out on Nusa now for much less than we paid for Johnson, those who doubt him will see the difference soon.
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Why can't we keep getting deals like that? We've been getting them still to date. The landscape has changed in Europe and English clubs are picking up quality from abroad as we've shown. Johnson was overpriced in truth but happy we got him. I think we can spend 30m on someone a bit more established to come straight into the first team. Young prospects shouldn't be that expensive really. Johnson wouldn't have been anywhere like as much if not from another premier league club and homegrown. We shouldn't be spending this much from the Belgium league. It's a hell of a lot from that league. We've been spending less on Serie A talent.
 
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Brentford’s proposed signing of Antonio Nusa from Club Bruges has been thrown into doubt by some complications in the deal.

An agreement was found between the two clubs and with the 18-year-old Norway international, who favoured Brentford over a host of sides after their long-term pursuit and plan for his development.

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But the transfer has not yet been finalised and appears to have taken a backwards step, potentially opening the door to a late push by other teams.
 
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Jiminio said:
Brentford’s proposed signing of Antonio Nusa from Club Bruges has been thrown into doubt by some complications in the deal.

An agreement was found between the two clubs and with the 18-year-old Norway international, who favoured Brentford over a host of sides after their long-term pursuit and plan for his development.

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But the transfer has not yet been finalised and appears to have taken a backwards step, potentially opening the door to a late push by other teams.
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Equally, there is a strong chance the winger does not move prior to Thursday’s deadline and the matter is readdressed before the summer.
Despite interest from Premier League rivals including Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur, Brentford emerged as his preferred choice.
Securing such a highly-rated talent would have been an impressive recruit for the west London side.
In light of this development, however, it is unclear if Brentford’s acquisition will come to fruition prior to the winter market closing.

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