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McFlash

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He is not better than Devine and Donley? Come on that's absolutely daft talk.
At the moment he's better than them but I think that both Devine and Donley have higher ceilings.
Is he worth blocking their pathway for, at 40+ million? I'm not sure he offers enough to risk that.
 

HildoSpur

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At the moment he's better than them but I think that both Devine and Donley have higher ceilings.
Is he worth blocking their pathway for, at 40+ million? I'm not sure he offers enough to risk that.
Can either of them slot into the first team right now as a genuine rotation option for Sarr? I don't think so and we need reinforcements right now. Gallagher I think would be a really good signing and based on some of the views in here he would surprise a lot of people with how good he actually is.
 

Joely

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Starter under Poch yet Chelsea seemingly open to moving him on to help ease the FFP issues they may run into. Odd situation with his contract to what with 18 months left. Would have though he'd be keen to stay now he is playing regularly at his boyhood club.

Think Chelsea will sit tight and see how things develop towards the end of the window in terms of what interest they get. Do feel we may try to do something for him towards the end of the window although think it'll be more opportunistic in nature and we'd be quite prepared to walk away early on if Chelsea dig their heels in when it comes to price. Also imagine it would probably depend on moving Hojbjerg on.

Sounds as though Ange is a fan and can see why he'd see him as a fit in his team although do have some concerns in terms of technical ability. Always appears all action in his displays, powerful runner with a great engine but sometimes get the impression it's all a bit chaotic and rushed especially when it comes to playing the key passes. Kind of on the fence with this one.
 

Disco

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He's a good player and when we were linked with him in the summer I would have been really excited about signing him, but not anymore. He's a Chelsea fan, doubt he'd put in the same level of effort for any team he's sold to

Sorry but I just cant agree with comments like this for many reasons, but the main four.

1. The vast majority of professional athletes get where they are because of an intense drive and competitive nature. Sure you get the odd N'dombele but for most when they cross that line they are despperate to win, desperate to win trophies.

2. It is his profession, and I dont mean that in a "its his duty" sense. I mean the more effort he puts in the more more he is recognised come contract renewal time, the more other big clubs may come in for him, the more sponsors he may attract...the more money he makes.

3. England Caps, all footballers dream of representing their country and playing in major tournaments. Huge driver.

4. Personal pride, players want to be remembered well, want to be ackowledged want to be lauded.

Sure, he preference may be to stay at Chelsea but the thought that his effort would diminish if he moved elsewhere is laughable IMO
 
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McFlash

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Can either of them slot into the first team right now as a genuine rotation option for Sarr? I don't think so and we need reinforcements right now. Gallagher I think would be a really good signing and based on some of the views in here he would surprise a lot of people with how good he actually is.
Not this season, no but next? Maybe.
For me it all depends on if we manage to shift PEH or not, which is looking unlikely because most of his suitors seem skint.
I'm not his biggest fan but I can see that Gallagher may be a decent option, I just think there's better value out there.
He doesn't really excel in any one area for me.
I'd rather go for a proper 6 than a jack of all trades (but master of none).
 

McFlash

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Based on what?
Based on their performances so far.
Ok, they've played at a lower level but both have more attacking ability, more goals and ability to assist.
Donley is more of a 10, to be fair but devine seems to be able to play pretty much anywhere in midfield.

I'm not saying Gallagher is a bad player, I just don't see any particular traits he has to make him stand out from the crowd. He just seems (to me) to be average at everything but not really great at anything.
His dribbling isn't great, his passing isn't special and nor is his vision/creativity and goal scoring.

It's a lot of money to spend on someone who's not going to improve the squad that much.
He'd be a decent utility player but is that really what we need?
 

RuskyM

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He made his competitive debut with Charlton in 2019, where he started 25 out of 26 games before getting recalled so he could play with better players. He then started every game for Swansea under Steve Cooper who lost in the play-offs. He then started 28/30 games for West Brom in the PL, 33/34 games under Hodgson at Palace, and 19/19 games under Pochettino this year. So with the possible exception of 22/23 (where he still started half Chelsea's games and made the England squad for Qatar), he's proved himself crucial to teams at higher and higher levels. It's no wonder Ange looks at that and sees boundless potential.
 

Tucker

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Based on their performances so far.
Ok, they've played at a lower level but both have more attacking ability, more goals and ability to assist.
Donley is more of a 10, to be fair but devine seems to be able to play pretty much anywhere in midfield.
I’m all for giving youngsters a chance, but neither have played at a high enough level to make any kind of judgement on if they’d be better than Gallagher.

Devine is doing ok in league one, but he’s not exactly setting the league on fire in the way someone like Dele did for example.

Donley has played no more than a handful of minutes of men’s football. It’s impossible to say he’s got a higher ceiling than a premier league proven England international.

People always have unrealistic expectations and hopes for our youngsters. It’s fine to have high hopes for them, but the cold truth is a football team can’t perform on high hopes alone. Say Devine and Donley don’t work out, much like Skipp hasn’t, and Winks didn’t and we end up having to rely on them. I can guarantee there will be plenty blaming the club for not buying a ready made player while we had the chance, and how we’ve left the squad short yet again.
 

Ghost Hardware

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I think it’s pretty clear from reports that Ange wants him but like all our other targets there should and probably is a limit we would pay. I certainly don’t think we should overpay because thus far everyone we have brought in who wasn’t necessarily first choice has excelled. I see no reason to assume the same won’t happen with whoever is next on our CM list. Not only that it isn’t really a position we are desperate for. Yes we will need to replace PEH if/when he goes but it isn’t urgent enough to overspend on. I personally don’t see us spending 50-60 mil on him and I don’t think we should spend that on him ether regardless of my thoughts on him are.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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We need a number 6, and he is not that! He is not better than Maddison, Benny, Biss, Devine, (soon to be Donley) and in our system that’s where he plays. Then add Kulu unto that. Only plus is he is better than Skipp
He's not better than Devine a guy who doesn't start every week at Port Vale or Donley an 18yo untested youngster?

Are you high?
 

isaac94

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We need a number 6, and he is not that! He is not better than Maddison, Benny, Biss, Devine, (soon to be Donley) and in our system that’s where he plays. Then add Kulu unto that. Only plus is he is better than Skipp
better than devine lmao, devine is in and out of a league 1 side, Gallagher is chelsea vice captain and england international madness to even compare them at the moment
 

BuckeyeSpurs11

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We need a number 6, and he is not that! He is not better than Maddison, Benny, Biss, Devine, (soon to be Donley) and in our system that’s where he plays. Then add Kulu unto that. Only plus is he is better than Skipp
Don’t disagree about no. 6 but Biss played there with Bentancur out….Maddison/Kulu and Sarr/Gallagher as no. 8’s and those are excellent options.
 

Basil Brush

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Tough predicament. Help Chelsea financially but piss off their fan base??

On a serious note, as others have said, if he is Ange's first choice, I am happy with him, but I see it being very unlikely.
 

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I'm not saying Gallagher is a bad player, I just don't see any particular traits he has to make him stand out from the crowd. He just seems (to me) to be average at everything but not really great at anything.
His dribbling isn't great, his passing isn't special and nor is his vision/creativity and goal scoring.

It's a lot of money to spend on someone who's not going to improve the squad that much.
He'd be a decent utility player but is that really what we need?


The stats surprise me because I feel the same as you. From seeing him and seeing Chelsea a few times this season, he looks average (in a very average team) and clumsy in the challenge. Lots of running, plenty of yellows and a red, not much else.

Turns out it's just 4 yellows and 1 red. No goals but 4 assists. WhoScored shows his assists have been at MC and AMC, but he plays at DMC more often: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/375621/MatchStatistics/Conor-Gallagher

This says his pass success is 80% and above, mostly closer to 90. Might be short, safe passes, but still...

So, it might be a case of not judging him based on how he plays with Chelsea because they are chaotic and overall quite a poor team and more about how he'd play in the Spurs set up. More like Sarr than Hojbjerg.

8 goals with Palace when on loan. 5 assists. Maybe this is more like it. 12 yellows though.
 

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I think it’s pretty clear from reports that Ange wants him but like all our other targets there should and probably is a limit we would pay. I certainly don’t think we should overpay because thus far everyone we have brought in who wasn’t necessarily first choice has excelled. I see no reason to assume the same won’t happen with whoever is next on our CM list. Not only that it isn’t really a position we are desperate for. Yes we will need to replace PEH if/when he goes but it isn’t urgent enough to overspend on. I personally don’t see us spending 50-60 mil on him and I don’t think we should spend that on him ether regardless of my thoughts on him are.
This coupled with the fact we've brought in a few (couple at least I think) who were his first choices is how to manage things. As long as the square pegs for round holes days are gone everyone will be kept sweet enough I think. Perfect is the enemy of good.
 

Bluto Blutarsky

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Just doesn’t pass the eye test for me. I can’t see what he’s good at.

People probably say the same thing about Sarr - but he has been critical to our early success.

The CM is not only about defending, or creating goals - it's a lot of doing mundane stuff that requires energy and industry to get up and down the pitch, and being available. Its not glamorous, and it does not look like the players are doing much - but it's critical, and, for example, neither PEH nor Skipp can play the 8 role as effectively as Sarr.

Gallagher is that kind of player - that he can play a similar style to Sarr - and that keeps the engine running smoothly.
 
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