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HW61

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The success of Poch’s teams has been the core value of team spirit and exceptional drive. It does appear that he wants GLC in, not to replace Eriksen, but as part of a plan to change the way we play. So GLC seems a vital part of that. I prefer to hope that actually it’s closer that we think and he’s simply being allowed to have a breather and holiday after a long demanding season. He played a lot of games.

I’m a big fan of Eriksen. Think he’s sublime to watch. But without that heart to play for our team I hope he goes, so we can finalise whatever plans Poch has. He’s been a good servant and loyal given how football is nowadays. So there’s no anger at all towards CE. Just want the change to happen as quickly as the reality of these transfers allow.
 
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worcestersauce

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The success of Poch’s teams has been the core value of team spirit and exceptional drive. It does appear that he wants GLC in, not to replace Eriksen, but as part of a plan to change the way we play. So GLC seems a vital part of that. I prefer to hope that actually it’s closer that we think and he’s simply being aloud to have a breather and holiday after a long demanding season. He played a lot of games.

I’m a big fan of Eriksen. Think he’s sublime to watch. But without that heart to play for our team I hope he goes, so we can finalise whatever plans Poch has. He’s been a good servant and loyal given how football is nowadays. So there’s no anger at all towards CE. Just want the change to happen as quickly as the reality of these transfers allow.
I agree I don't think Lo Celso is just a case of getting someone in, he is a target in himself and we aren't going to decide not to bother because someone else hasn't left.
 

McFlash

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I certainly believe this more than I believe the pie-eyed fools on here who think Levy will spend on Tanguay and Isco/GLC without seliing Eriksen. Call me crazy.
I think calling people "pie-eyed fools" because they're having a faith in the club, not to mention the trusted itk's, is a little harsh.
There's plenty of reasons to believe that we have money to spend and that we're looking to spend it.
 
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McFlash

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I agree I don't think Lo Celso is just a case of getting someone in, he is a target in himself and we aren't going to decide not to bother because someone else hasn't left.
Are you aware that you accidentally spammed the post you agreed to?
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Kiedis

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It's hard to get a sense of a player from youtube, and I haven't bothered to watch entire games of him. Is he a guy that will dictate play and control the tempo and flow of the game like Eriksen, or us he a player of moments (Lamela'ish)?
 

homer hotspur

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see the problem you have is because Levy has never spent a fortune unless we have sold players (with exception of 2008), yet your forgetting we never bought anyone in the previous 2 windows, because you refuse to believe Poch was part of the reason we never signed anyone and would prefer to blame the owners. you refuse to believe we made massive profits, we also have the CL money after bonuses, and we also have the rest of the money we earnt last season.

why supporters that refuse to believe ITK (salt required), but prefer to listen to the media or journalist because they might get something right once in a 100 efforts I don't know. Don't get me wrong but we as a club are most probably expecting to get an Eriksen sale, but why would we bid on 2 players one we have got through the door, without a guaranteed sale of Eriksen. Rumours are he wants RM or Barca (never know which 1 for definite). We can't force him to sign for anybody else so why try and buy his replacement before he is definitely sold.

the stadium doesn't have to be paid for overnight, we have spent the last 8years pilling the little money compared to todays into the team and stadium, so now the stadium is finished, and we know we are getting 26k more fans through the doors and the profits for drink and food have gone through the roof compared to Wembley and the old WHL. ST and membership tickets are more expensive, plus we will eventually get a namings rights fee, on top of the extra Nike shirt deal and other sponsors that have joined, we might actually have the money to get these big players now without the need to sell a star man. I bet the paper forgot to look at all that info before having their report printed
But a lot of people on here are adamant he is NOT CE's replacement.................
 

nedley

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It’s been all over the press for weeks and weeks ?

I mean in terms of the final deal.

With Ndombele it trickled through slowly; ITK's saying it was done 12 hours before we saw his smiley face. Reports of him at Hotspur Way in the morning before the official tweet at 5pm.

I predict this will be official without all that build up...ala Modric.

We have reached agreement with Real Betis...…..subject to a medical.
 

Lighty64

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8 sentences in all that. :hungover: Almost ruined it by having 4 in the 2nd, but redeemed yourself with the last paragraph!


Just a bit of lighthearted banter, no offense intended.

No problem at midnight after being up all day a long day of work driving and being involved in an accident with a cyclist, as well as being shit at my own language on paper, full stops went astray
 

Japhet

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I'm hoping that LoCelso is our top priority target and that Ceballos is tied to any Eriksen deal. LoCelso can play in CM and has the skillset to play at 10 as well (moreso than DC in my opinion). It seems though, from what I've read, that LoCelso is more dependant now on Eriksen moving which is a bit disappointing. Of course, it could all be bluff and double bluff.
 

stewartd

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I think calling people "pie-eyed fools" because they're having a faith in the club, not to mention the trusted itk's, is a little harsh.
There's plenty of reasons to believe that we have money to spend and that we're looking to spend it.
Please give us some examples of the reasons you see ,other then the ITKs views.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I certainly believe this more than I believe the pie-eyed fools on here who think Levy will spend on Tanguay and Isco/GLC without seliing Eriksen. Call me crazy.
I think calling people "pie-eyed fools" because they're having a faith in the club, not to mention the trusted itk's, is a little harsh.
There's plenty of reasons to believe that we have money to spend and that we're looking to spend it.

With McF on this, there’s absolutely no reason to insult people and it doesn’t say good things about you.
 

ackie

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I'm hoping that LoCelso is our top priority target and that Ceballos is tied to any Eriksen deal. LoCelso can play in CM and has the skillset to play at 10 as well (moreso than DC in my opinion). It seems though, from what I've read, that LoCelso is more dependant now on Eriksen moving which is a bit disappointing. Of course, it could all be bluff and double bluff.
I think the Eriksen deal may include ceballos.
I think GLC or isco is the Eriksen replacement.
We know MP rates isco and wanted to sign him before.
 

Japhet

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I think the Eriksen deal may include ceballos.
I think GLC or isco is the Eriksen replacement.
We know MP rates isco and wanted to sign him before.

I'm hoping that's the plan, although ITK have said that LoCelso is a target whatever happens to Eriksen which I like. I think (hope) that Ceballos is part of any Eriksen deal since I think it would represent most value for money from our perspective.
 

brasil_spur

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I certainly believe this more than I believe the pie-eyed fools on here who think Levy will spend on Tanguay and Isco/GLC without seliing Eriksen. Call me crazy.
I think you're looking at this through "stadium building" tinted lenses though. Now the stadium is fully up and running and hosting many non-football events as well as regular PL, Cup and CL games for us this increases our operating revenue massively. And on top of this we have the massive increase in general TV money as well as the estimated £50m bump for making the CL final.

Personally this reminds me a lot of the 07/08 and 08/09 windows where we invested massively in our team (relative to the time) by having a combined Net Spend over those two windows of £115m.

For context our Net Spend for last year and so far this year is only at £60m. So that's £55m less than our Net Spend over two windows more than 10 years ago. If the above didn't bankrupt our club back then, and in fact had quite the opposite effect, then i see no reason why we aren't able to spend at least another £55m before players sales this window and still be very much better off financially than we were going into the 08/09 season.

Personally, based on the ITK so far, i would say that GLC comes in at around that £55m mark. Then IF we sell Eriksen we can bring in Ceballos and maybe a couple of U21 type players at around the £15-20m mark, even then if we're loaning Ceballos i'm not sure we need to sell Eriksen to afford the loan fee, but i don't see the need for him in the team in this case. If we sell Trippier and/or Alderweireld then we can use that money to buy in replacement defenders.

The only outlier to the above spending is then the Sess's - which frankly we should still be able to afford as this still puts our spending well below £115m over two seasons when taking "PL football inflation" into account.

Obviously the £115m number is just a pure bollox number plucked from thin air, but it's based on our previous spending as a club, so goes to demonstrate that it's not unrealistic for us to spend big, now that the stadium project is effectively completed.
 

SpartanSpur

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The thing with both Ceballos and Lo Celso is that they are very versatile, which stems from them being both very good technically and hard-working. It's telling when you watch clips of them playing in different teams.

GLC - PSG deeper in midfield, spreading the passes, using dribbling skills to evade tackles and transition. Betis playing more advanced, got VDV vibes from the way he arrives in the box and takes his chances. Still showing tenacity and an eye for a pass in the forward role. Argentina - best to disregard that mess of a situation.

Ceballos - Madrid, tends to play deeper and recycle the ball to help dominate possesion, Betis and U21 he's more advanced playing on the half turn and looking to slide in little through balls.
 

Lilbaz

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I think you're looking at this through "stadium building" tinted lenses though. Now the stadium is fully up and running and hosting many non-football events as well as regular PL, Cup and CL games for us this increases our operating revenue massively. And on top of this we have the massive increase in general TV money as well as the estimated £50m bump for making the CL final.

Personally this reminds me a lot of the 07/08 and 08/09 windows where we invested massively in our team (relative to the time) by having a combined Net Spend over those two windows of £115m.

For context our Net Spend for last year and so far this year is only at £60m. So that's £55m less than our Net Spend over two windows more than 10 years ago. If the above didn't bankrupt our club back then, and in fact had quite the opposite effect, then i see no reason why we aren't able to spend at least another £55m before players sales this window and still be very much better off financially than we were going into the 08/09 season.

Personally, based on the ITK so far, i would say that GLC comes in at around that £55m mark. Then IF we sell Eriksen we can bring in Ceballos and maybe a couple of U21 type players at around the £15-20m mark, even then if we're loaning Ceballos i'm not sure we need to sell Eriksen to afford the loan fee, but i don't see the need for him in the team in this case. If we sell Trippier and/or Alderweireld then we can use that money to buy in replacement defenders.

The only outlier to the above spending is then the Sess's - which frankly we should still be able to afford as this still puts our spending well below £115m over two seasons when taking "PL football inflation" into account.

Obviously the £115m number is just a pure bollox number plucked from thin air, but it's based on our previous spending as a club, so goes to demonstrate that it's not unrealistic for us to spend big, now that the stadium project is effectively completed.

Where did you get that our net spend for those 2 windows was £115m?
Transfermarkt has it at £40m.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...48/plus/0?saison_id=2007&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

We also had the share issue where enic took full control of the club. That money was used for transfers.
 
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