The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 9th June 2019

cliff jones · Jun 20, 2019

U.S. Spurs Fan said:
If we have bid the highest for GLC and he wants to come, then you can't blame Levy for anything. It is certainly Betis's right to hold onto him if they don't like the bid. But if no one else comes in, maybe we will get lucky and they will sell and we can get him at a decent price.

If Eriksen stays and N'Dombele comes in, we will certainly be stronger next year. I think we all kind of assumed CE would be gone so that's a big plus.

re your first point, of course you can. Possible of course Betis could hold out for silly money, but what if an extra 5m than we've offered could make them reconsider? With a bit more up front? Bidding the highest counts for fck all if the selling club don't accept.

BuckeyeSpurs11 · Jun 20, 2019

I know the Bruno Fernandes links haven't been verified by anybody but the Telegraph reporting it certainly makes them more credible - makes sense if Betis truly are holding onto their unrealistic price for GLC then we look at other options, while still very talented for lower fees.

SpartanSpur · Jun 20, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
Madness! Are we offering Llorente a new deal then?

He says we will deal in the area. I think the other areas mentioned are rightly a priority.

yiddopaul · Jun 20, 2019

Duskwen said:
Feel the push out of Toby is more on Levy's end to get at least some money from it, and Poch is not fighting to keep him.

Nah, I think the opposite. I think Poch has wanted him gone for a while, Levy probably doesn't care but will back the manager.

yiddopaul · Jun 20, 2019

stonebrow said:
Familiar pattern to EVERY transfer window.

Fixed

JayB · Jun 20, 2019

marc aron said:
I know the Bruno Fernandes links haven't been verified by anybody but the Telegraph reporting it certainly makes them more credible - makes sense if Betis truly are holding onto their unrealistic price for GLC then we look at other options, while still very talented for lower fees.

A second-choice playmaker would fit in with Herc's ITK, but I'm pretty sure JJ has pooh-poohed the Fernandes link. Perhaps things have changed given that Betis are currently holding out for a fee we are unwilling to pay?

JCRD · Jun 20, 2019

yiddopaul said:
Nah, I think the opposite. I think Poch has wanted him gone for a while, Levy probably doesn't care but will back the manager.

I know there was some info a while back i think from ITK that suggested essentially Toby had burnt his bridges etc but even now, with the way Toby has performed and remained professional, i dont understand what could have been done. I appreciate Toby will have annoyed someone based on agreeing a contract then going back on it but thats not enough to burn bridges...

If we bring in a RB and someone who can shield them, we could still have one of the best defences next season if Toby stays and that could set a great foundation

yiddopaul · Jun 20, 2019

JCRD said:
I know there was some info a while back i think from ITK that suggested essentially Toby had burnt his bridges etc but even now, with the way Toby has performed and remained professional, i dont understand what could have been done. I appreciate Toby will have annoyed someone based on agreeing a contract then going back on it but thats not enough to burn bridges...

If we bring in a RB and someone who can shield them, we could still have one of the best defences next season if Toby stays and that could set a great foundation

Oh i agree. I don't have a problem with Toby. I hope he stays and signs a new contract. One of the best in the business.

synththfc · Jun 20, 2019

Hercules said:
The talk is, we are prepared to pay a realistic fee for the RB that meets Poch’s criteria, but forget even spending some of the figures mooted we would ‘have to pay’. Trippier has a lot of interest from suitors, and whilst we would ‘listen’ to offers for Aurier, my personal take on him, is I wouldn’t be surprised if he is still here.

KWP is the interesting one, because Poch really likes him and his attitude, and pre-season will be key subject to formation experiments we will be introducing. It is possible we see if we have the answers within to solve the RB issues.

The ongoing chase of GLC, is down to us will NOT pay 70m plus for him. And the funny thing is, we are the only ones to of bid a extremely good offer thus far. The player by all accounts is very keen, and it may be down to him pushing for it. We do have other options in that department. And the potential conclusion of NDombele, will not deter another offensive creative midfield acquisition, if it is not to be GLC.

The Toby situation is very interesting, because we want him shifted, and if he goes we will bring in.

We are relaxed on the striker-front, and will deal in that area, but not seen as the high priority, Sess, MDombele and GLC. If we cannot deal on GLC, there will be another. Those are our target areas.

The third GK, is a weird one, as I don’t rate Alfie Whiteman, so possible movement in/out in that department. Do not rule anything out, even a loan. That is why it is a funny one.

Talk within is CE has agreed 4 year deal, with realistic clauses, but he wants to wait until pre-season to see if his option/s resurface. If not he commits.

The fact that we're even talking about a potential conclusion of the Ndombele deal has me giddy.

Cheers Herc.

WiganSpur · Jun 20, 2019

Great news, and not particularly bothered about the striker situation if Clarke signs. Parrott could well be breaking through anytime soon and chances are VJ will still be here for emergency cover as well.

Only concern there is no links to DMs. A lot of creative and attacking talent in that list but nobody to really anchor. Could Winks do it? Possibly, but it’s not a definite yes.

DazzyWazzy55 · Jun 20, 2019

MK Yid said:
You do realise Aurier is only 3 years younger than Rose and Walker. 3 years ago Rose and Walker were absolutely tearing it up, they weren't potential.
Sorry, you have had a mare there.

Although he might not be exactly on the mark with the ages, I can kind of understand what he's getting at. Don't forget when we signed the two Kyles, Kyle Naughton was seen as the most promising of the pair. Look how that turned out! There's obviously something about KWP that we perhaps haven't seen, but the people who work with him everyday are best placed to make the decision to keep him or not. This will be why as per Herc's post we're not in a huge rush to do anything at RB unless the opportunity presents itself with someone wanting Trippier for a decent wedge.

SpartanSpur · Jun 20, 2019

Poch had so many chances to throw KWP in last season and hardly did it. Even experimenting with Foyth at the end of the season. If he had so much faith in him why use him so sparingly?

I think a new RB is essential this summer regardless (assuming Tripps is sold).

daryl hannah · Jun 20, 2019

robin09 said:
So it looks like our transfer targets for this window, based on the ITK for the last couple of weeks is as follows, have I missed anyone?

N'Dombele (likely), Celso (50/50), Clarke (likely), Sess (maybe?) RB (if we sell Trips, and KWP leaves) CB (if Toby goes)

Plus a possible striker and 3rd choice goal keep = possible 8 players in.

You'd have to assume players out are Vorm, Llorente (on frees), Janssen, Nkoudou, CCV and Onomah (surplus), Toby and Tripps (If...)

which = possibly 8 players out, with Wanyama, Eriksen, Rose, and Aurier whose futures are to be resolved.

I personally feel this should be the minimum we are looking to do this window if we're going to get "Mauricio: chapter 2" off to a flying start.

U.S. Spurs Fan · Jun 20, 2019

cliff jones said:
re your first point, of course you can. Possible of course Betis could hold out for silly money, but what if an extra 5m than we've offered could make them reconsider? With a bit more up front? Bidding the highest counts for fck all if the selling club don't accept.

Herc said it was an "extremely good offer" so in this case I'm not going to blame Levy. My guess is it is probably similar to what we will hopefully seal TD at (60 mill?).

SpartanSpur · Jun 20, 2019

WiganSpur said:
Great news, and not particularly bothered about the striker situation if Clarke signs. Parrott could well be breaking through anytime soon and chances are VJ will still be here for emergency cover as well.

Only concern there is no links to DMs. A lot of creative and attacking talent in that list but nobody to really anchor. Could Winks do it? Possibly, but it’s not a definite yes.

I think Winks becomes the sitter in a 3 man midfield if we play it. I reckon DM is on the back burner until we sell Wanyama and/or Dier. We might even see a better Dier after a rest and proper preseason if he stays anyway.

WiganSpur · Jun 20, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
I think Winks becomes the sitter in a 3 man midfield if we play it. I reckon DM is on the back burner until we sell Wanyama and/or Dier. We might even see a better Dier after a rest and proper preseason if he stays anyway.

There's a chance for Skipp in pre-season as well hopefully. Contrary to a few other posters I thought he did well when called upon last season.

Japhet · Jun 20, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
I think Winks becomes the sitter in a 3 man midfield if we play it. I reckon DM is on the back burner until we sell Wanyama and/or Dier. We might even see a better Dier after a rest and proper preseason if he stays anyway.

JJ has previously said that Wanyama won't pass a medical so I wouldn't be surprised if he stays.

SpartanSpur · Jun 20, 2019

Japhet said:
JJ has previously said that Wanyama won't pass a medical so I wouldn't be surprised if he stays.

I wouldn't be surprised either, but teams do take chances. Look at Demba Ba and Loic Remy. Failed some medicals but still got moves.

U.S. Spurs Fan · Jun 20, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
Madness! Are we offering Llorente a new deal then?

A pure Kane-type backup would be nice but both Son and Lucas have proven they are capable of playing there, and perhaps Parrott can get some time in cup matches. Maybe they would rather just keep developing Parrott rather than bring in another young competition.

ClintEastwould · Jun 20, 2019

stonebrow said:
Familiar pattern to last summers transfer window.

Come on. This transfer window is absolutely nothing like last summer's.

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