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-Afri-Coy-

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Just the fact that there is a possibility of us resigning Bale is immense.

If you're against signing him then you belong in an asylum. There are so many factors that need to fall in place for this to happen, but if there's a chance we can get it done and he wants to come home then I'd welcome him home with open arms.

It just needs to be the right deal for both the club and Bale, and it mustn't effect our other signings then we should go all in to get it done.
 

SpartanSpur

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Does feel like a long shot doesn't it? But at the same time he has to end up somewhere!

I'd probably still put my money on Utd if I had to, you know Madrid will try and use him in any Pogba deal. That said even Utd seem to be changing tact with the links to James and Longstaff. Bayern seem to be looking at Pepe and Sane. You'd imagine PSG are ok in attack.

I think it's one to watch for sure, but wouldn't put any money on it!
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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Does feel like a long shot doesn't it? But at the same time he has to end up somewhere!

I'd probably still put my money on Utd if I had to, you know Madrid will try and use him in any Pogba deal. That said even Utd seem to be changing tact with the links to James and Longstaff. Bayern seem to be looking at Pepe and Sane. You'd imagine PSG are ok in attack.

I think it's one to watch for sure, but wouldn't put any money on it!

If United don't take him then I fear a Hazard for Bale swap makes a lot of sense, once CAS have suspended Chelsea's ban.

He could be used as a sweetener on a 1-2 year loan.

Chelsea love a galactico loan deal these days, and could match Higuain's £270k p/w with Real paying the rest - and knock £10-20m off the £100m fee.

Obviously both clubs have precedent for precisely this same structure of deal with Courtois and Kovacic.

I get the argument on sticking to our model, but Bale in a Chelsea shirt would be a harrowing sight, and at that point I'd really want us to step in.
 

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If United don't take him then I fear a Hazard for Bale swap makes a lot of sense, once CAS have suspended Chelsea's ban.

He could be used as a sweetener on a 1-2 year loan.

Chelsea love a galactico loan deal these days, and could match Higuain's £270k p/w with Real paying the rest - and knock £10-20m off the £100m fee.

Obviously both clubs have precedent for precisely this same structure of deal with Courtois and Kovacic.

I get the argument on sticking to our model, but Bale in a Chelsea shirt would be a harrowing sight, and at that point I'd really want us to step in.

Does seem that there is a fair chance Chelsea will get that ban suspended. I think they'd probably rather go for Zaha or Pepe. Higuain was more of a one-off to appease Sarri I believe.

I think Levy would definitely try and step in if he got wind of Chelsea or Arsenal getting close to him.
 

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I think Levy would definitely try and step in if he got wind of Chelsea or Arsenal getting close to him.

Levy wouldn't step in just because of sentiment. If the deal doesn't stack up for him, he wont change his mind just to stop Bale going to Chelsea or Arsenal.
 

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Just the fact that there is a possibility of us resigning Bale is immense.

If you're against signing him then you belong in an asylum. There are so many factors that need to fall in place for this to happen, but if there's a chance we can get it done and he wants to come home then I'd welcome him home with open arms.

It just needs to be the right deal for both the club and Bale, and it mustn't effect our other signings then we should go all in to get it done.
'If someone has a different opinion than me, they must be mental'...well yeah many people actually do. I highly doubt bringing in a player who would be the highest paid in club history and whose club appear to be demanding a record fee (for us) or significant loan fee, will 'not effect other signings'.
 

Timberwolf

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'If someone has a different opinion than me, they must be mental'...well yeah many people actually do. I highly doubt bringing in a player who would be the highest paid in club history and whose club appear to be demanding a record fee (for us) or significant loan fee, will 'not effect other signings'.
Agreed. Especially when take into account his form's been getting worse year after year and he's constantly injured. Terrible idea IMO.

As is the case with ex-girlfriends - you broke up for a reason. Never go back.
 

Japhet

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Just the fact that there is a possibility of us resigning Bale is immense.

If you're against signing him then you belong in an asylum
. There are so many factors that need to fall in place for this to happen, but if there's a chance we can get it done and he wants to come home then I'd welcome him home with open arms.

It just needs to be the right deal for both the club and Bale
, and it mustn't effect our other signings then we should go all in to get it done.

My stance on it would be that in order to sign Bale we'd almost certainly have to take a pass on another major deal (e.g. Ndombele). and if that was the case I guess I'd need to check into an asylum because I'd prefer to invest in the future than jump on some massive PR bandwagon.
 

SpartanSpur

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Levy wouldn't step in just because of sentiment. If the deal doesn't stack up for him, he wont change his mind just to stop Bale going to Chelsea or Arsenal.

I agree. That's not quite what I meant, but I appreciate it looks that way.

I think he is very interested in Bale on an opportunistic deal, and he'll be following this closely through Barnett, and is happy to sit in the background and watch it play out. To get the best deal, Madrid have to exhaust all possibilities and get desperate.

I think he'd get involved earlier if there was competition from either of them, maybe even open the wallet up an extra 5-10%, but certainly not in such a way to put us at risk. If Chelsea agreed to a permanent transfer on a 3-4 year deal at £300k a week I'm sure he'd happily let them go for it!
 

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that's all we should be looking at. bale is at best a last minute bargain ONCE we've done everything else.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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Agreed. Especially when take into account his form's been getting worse year after year and he's constantly injured. Terrible idea IMO.

As is the case with ex-girlfriends - you broke up for a reason. Never go back.

I think being booed by his own fans, and mugged off by his team mates and manager in the press can't be an easy environment in which to hit peak form. He's still an amazing player imo.

He has had a lot of injuries, though a loan deal mitigates a lot of that risk. So if terms were at all do-able, here's what swings it for me.

We were prepared to write down £10m per year in fee and wages when we signed a 32 year old Llorente to be a bit part player. £12.1m fee and £75k a week for 2 years.

What is Bale worth to us having a go at our first ever PL title?

@Trix was saying the loan deal on the table would cost around £35m a year including player bonuses.

Depending on how and where you weight the bonuses - minutes played in PL or CL win say - I'd argue it's potentially worth £20-25m + £5-10m stretched target bonuses.

Surely there's a deal to be done, especially if we do become resigned losing Eriksen - which I think the club must have nearly accepted.
 

Timberwolf

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I think being booed by his own fans, and mugged off by his team mates and manager in the press can't be an easy environment in which to hit peak form. He's still an amazing player imo.

He has had a lot of injuries, though a loan deal mitigates a lot of that risk. So if terms were at all do-able, here's what swings it for me.

We were prepared to write down £10m per year in fee and wages when we signed a 32 year old Llorente to be a bit part player. £12.1m fee and £75k a week for 2 years.

What is Bale worth to us having a go at our first ever PL title?

@Trix was saying the loan deal on the table would cost around £35m a year including player bonuses.

Depending on how and where you weight the bonuses - minutes played in PL or CL win say - I'd argue it's potentially worth £20-25m + £5-10m stretched target bonuses.

Surely there's a deal to be done, especially if we do become resigned losing Eriksen - which I think the club must have nearly accepted.
I get where you're coming from and I wouldn't be dead against it if the numbers were right. But on the other hand it would take loads of negotiation and take up a squad place we could be using more wisely on a cheaper/younger option for the future.

Also since Poch has come in I don't think we've signed a single player on loan - I just can't see him making an exception for Bale given his age, workrate, cost, etc.
 

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I think being booed by his own fans, and mugged off by his team mates and manager in the press can't be an easy environment in which to hit peak form. He's still an amazing player imo.

He has had a lot of injuries, though a loan deal mitigates a lot of that risk. So if terms were at all do-able, here's what swings it for me.

We were prepared to write down £10m per year in fee and wages when we signed a 32 year old Llorente to be a bit part player. £12.1m fee and £75k a week for 2 years.

What is Bale worth to us having a go at our first ever PL title?

@Trix was saying the loan deal on the table would cost around £35m a year including player bonuses.

Depending on how and where you weight the bonuses - minutes played in PL or CL win say - I'd argue it's potentially worth £20-25m + £5-10m stretched target bonuses.

Surely there's a deal to be done, especially if we do become resigned losing Eriksen - which I think the club must have nearly accepted.
My opinion as stated before, and I gave brief summary previously. I cannot see the club committing ‘financial suicide’ for 1 year loan on him. I just cannot see it myself.
 

SpartanSpur

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We were prepared to write down £10m per year in fee and wages when we signed a 32 year old Llorente to be a bit part player. £12.1m fee and £75k a week for 2 years.

I agree with your post on the whole but I do have a further point to add on this front.

The Llorente deal is a very interesting parallel as it was at the time very unlike us. 2 year short team deal on big wages (I've actually heard £100k before) with zero resale. I think most gave it a pass as finding a backup for Kane is a unique and tricky job. IMO the only reason we went for this is because we knew our revenue was going up with the move to Wembley, and it felt like a smart move to help the team.

I could see us viewing this the same way, and guess what, we are also anticipating further revenue increases at the new stadium (especially once naming rights are locked in).

It's also why I get annoyed when fans think we are totally rigid when it comes to signing players (high potential, high resale only), as Llorente is a perfect example of us being willing to be more creative as more funds become available to us. I'm looking forward to see how Levy acts with more competitive finances over the next few seasons.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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I get where you're coming from and I wouldn't be dead against it if the numbers were right. But on the other hand it would take loads of negotiation and take up a squad place we could be using more wisely on a cheaper/younger option for the future.

Also since Poch has come in I don't think we've signed a single player on loan - I just can't see him making an exception for Bale given his age, workrate, cost, etc.

Our model has served us well to get us this far, but the issue with sticking to it across the board is that we're perpetually developing potential to one day replace the players who have left us to win trophies.

Hence 2 league cups in 20 years.

At some point you have to be prepared to push the boat out on one stellar player who can elevate the club to the next level.

We did it with Davids to elevate the team and it's mentality to being a Top 4 contender.

I think this paradigm shift is partly what Poch has been getting at, whether or not Bale is the one he'd want to go all out for.

If he were though, and it were amongst a mix or several development signings (and say one ready made starting CM), I think we have to consider it.
 
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-Afri-Coy-

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'If someone has a different opinion than me, they must be mental'...well yeah many people actually do. I highly doubt bringing in a player who would be the highest paid in club history and whose club appear to be demanding a record fee (for us) or significant loan fee, will 'not effect other signings'.

The asylum thing is very tongue in cheek, my apologies if it was offensive to anyone, including you. I do value everyone's opinion and didn't mean to hit a cord.
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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My opinion as stated before, and I gave brief summary previously. I cannot see the club committing ‘financial suicide’ for 1 year loan on him. I just cannot see it myself.

Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but surely if United don't come steaming in with some crazy offer, then Real would accept the need to subsidise his wages in order to get him out the door?

I don't see how the can take Hazard until they do, which could act as some leverage.
 
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