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spursfast

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I agree with you. But people are talking like we've no hope, it's absolutely amazing how many negative fans there is.

There's a huge negative mentality swirling around this Club and it needs to stop.

We've had a really bad spell but top four is still eminently achievable.

Players coming back, and I trust Pochettino to get us going for the run in.

He's done a remarkable job and those who are writing us off now don't understand the value of our manager.

I firmly believe we'll finish strongly and finish third.
I think its the manner of our capitulation that has got everyone fearing... your sense of optimism is nice, let's hope next game they put in a shift and push on from there
 

RichieS

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I certainly think Poch has had enough of our media, like so many have before.

He is constantly judged by the rules of a game he is not even playing. He can't win. If his spoken English was better I think he'd have been able to make this clearer to us than he has.
 

marion52

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A lot of reason for doom and gloom is because we are slipping again when it comes to the sharp end of the season. Fans are getting so used to it they expect it to happen again. I feel Poch too is starting to realise that and is probably as p****d off as us fans which may be the reason for some of his words recently.
I can’t believe Daniel would contemplate sacking him now with the new stadium actually here.
I also believe Poch wants to see the team succeed and play at the new stadium.
We will all have to wait and see I guess, and pray that this season doesn’t completely implode?
 

hakano

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His mistakes tactically and the squads sudden lack of intent on the pitch in/over the last four league games have been the 10 point gap we have pissed away.

He had a choice in the winter again and chose to be bullish about it. No that doesn't take away from the disaster of the summer window, but he allowed Dembele to sold, and he chose not to strengthen or at least add one or two players who could have added something to the squad.

He talks about hard decisions in the summer, but the now is going to cost us by the looks of things.

They are both at fault.

I tell you what is his fault - working with that plonker DL for so long, that's where you can point the finger.
 

Ben1

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Come on mate, Liverpool and City away to come, it’s hardly unreasonable to assume we’ll drop more points yet.
Rather them away and 5 reasonable home games than the other way round. We will drop points but so will everyone else.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Get real. Our starting eleven and squad is not good enough to challenge for the title. Do you think players like Winks, Sissoko and Trippier, Aurier etc. would get much playtime in Liverpool and Manchester City? The answer is no. We have some good players, that's for sure. But our starting eleven is weaker than the likes of Liverpool and Man City. With better CM:s and and better WB:s we would challenge for the title.

Players good enough for the starting XI of a title winning team:

Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Son, Dele, Kane. 6 players

Players good enough for a top 4 finish:

Lloris, Rose, Dier. 3 players

Decent squad players:

Gazzaniga, Aurier, Trippier, Walker-Peters, Davies, Sanchez, Foyth, Wanyama, Skipp, Winks, Sissoko, Lucas, Lamela, Llorente 14+ Players

When you consider that we lost Dembele & Walker, 2 clearly good enough for a title challenging team and have replaced their positions in the squad with players that realistically you would regard as decent squad players for a top 4 team it's clear that the quality levels for the first team are hampered by players that have backup qualities.

We currently have 6 top footballers, 3 that can hold their own and the rest that are of second string quality, meaning that in every match day we have at the very least 2 players starting who should be backup, most notably in the right back and central midfield areas.

Here is where we come up short, we have a squad too top heavy with decent squad level quality, a few that hold their own and half a dozen top players that do the dirty work. When they ain't on song the others simply don't have it in them to muster what it takes.

We have many young players that are decent who have room to grow but not enough quality surrounding the other positions. We have one player like Eriksen, have fallen back on a midfield consisting of Winks & Sissoko when before we had Wanyama & Dembele and have half the quality on the right side of our defence.

The quality we had is still there in large parts, but there is a weak underbelly that, due to injuries has slowly seeped into our first XI this season.

14 players in a 25 man squad that, let's be honest we wouldn't miss if they were sold tells you all about the class difference from the magical to the mediocre. If Poch is serious about this club, which he should be because it is a great club he needs to turn at least 5 of those decent squad positions into new signings that can more than hold their own in the top 4 or a title charge.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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If Poch doesn't get Top 4 this season, I believe that Levy will sack him.

Whether or not that is fair, is another question, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened.

If Poch doesn't get top 4 and is sacked, what should happen to Levy for being the first owner in Premier League history to not buy a player in the summer transfer window and then backing that up with no investment in the January one? If Poch goes, Levy would have to walk as well. Neither will happen unless Pochettino decides to walk or Levy gets the arse with some of his recent comments & id out that down to a happy trigger finger more than anything
 

ostrov

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I have no doubt that Poch is mentally a notch or two stronger in the face of adversity than some of us fans on SC. He will work his brain off to lift the team for the rest of the season. It was a very shit run of results but this team can still play good football and the character is there, we know that. Need to recharge the batteries and get it right mentally. We can do it.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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There's a huge negative mentality swirling around this Club and it needs to stop.
Absolutely and I mentioned this back in August or September. When you don't sign players it has so many effects and our becoming the first club ever to fail to sign anyone in a summer transfer window, coupled with the new stadium delay set a tone which I think our season has struggled to overcome, it's just felt poxy, both those things, then the team haven't exactly hit the heights and I think it's testament to their character that we've managed to be where we are for so long, that's why this 'legends' thing is just so wilfully kneejerk, unconsidered and lazy.

When you sign new players it puts a kind of buzz into the fans. Anticipation, hope, I dunno, call it what you like. It also lifts the squad, the whole club. I think there are ways that failure set us back that we just don't really think about. It was a massive failure, almost negligent. The stadium thing is another kettle of fish, but again, take the transfer thing, add the disappointment and uncertainty of the stadium and you've doubled down on the negative vibes. Reasons for feeling positive were being stripped from us and I feel it was a massive mistake by knick-knack to allow the transfer thing to happen. The tone has to be set by the club.

Maybe going back home will provide that boost of positivity we need. Signing players this summer will also be a massive boost. The season isn't dead yet but there's been this weight, cloud, call it what you like, hanging over the club all season, positivity was thin on the ground and now it feels like we're stuck in the middle of a self fulfilling prophecy.

Roll on next season, a great manager, a new stadium and a few signings and it'll all start feeling positive again. Meanwhile all we can do is support the boys and hope they can turn it all around. COYS.
 

vuzp

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Absolutely and I mentioned this back in August or September. When you don't sign players it has so many effects and our becoming the first club ever to fail to sign anyone in a summer transfer window, coupled with the new stadium delay set a tone which I think our season has struggled to overcome, it's just felt poxy, both those things, then the team haven't exactly hit the heights and I think it's testament to their character that we've managed to be where we are for so long, that's why this 'legends' thing is just so wilfully kneejerk, unconsidered and lazy.

When you sign new players it puts a kind of buzz into the fans. Anticipation, hope, I dunno, call it what you like. It also lifts the squad, the whole club. I think there are ways that failure set us back that we just don't really think about. It was a massive failure, almost negligent. The stadium thing is another kettle of fish, but again, take the transfer thing, add the disappointment and uncertainty of the stadium and you've doubled down on the negative vibes. Reasons for feeling positive were being stripped from us and I feel it was a massive mistake by knick-knack to allow the transfer thing to happen. The tone has to be set by the club.

Maybe going back home will provide that boost of positivity we need. Signing players this summer will also be a massive boost. The season isn't dead yet but there's been this weight, cloud, call it what you like, hanging over the club all season, positivity was thin on the ground and now it feels like we're stuck in the middle of a self fulfilling prophecy.

Roll on next season, a great manager, a new stadium and a few signings and it'll all start feeling positive again. Meanwhile all we can do is support the boys and hope they can turn it all around. COYS.
The voice of reason as always, good man A&C ?
 

BringBack_leGin

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Hopefully we enter the Liverpool match with our players having picked up some confidence playing with their countries and Pochettino having had a bit of time to refresh and rethink.

The transfer situation and stadium issues aren’t his fault, obviously, and as A&C says they have clearly had in impact. However, this season Pochettino has had his worst as well. Odd selections and needless formation changes, refusal to rotate out of form/ knackered players while rushing back others, none of this his helped. Throw in some strange comments in the press and his recent loss of control on the pitch and suddenly he’s been a bit less magic.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d never sugggest removing Pochettino, that’s madness and anybody suggesting it needs to have a word, but as with many of the players he has ‘lost form’ so to speak.

There is just over 20% of the season remaining, we are in a tough spot, but thankfully we still have it in our hands. All the key players are fit, we have the best squad of footballers to choose from and a manager who has been mostly superb for five years. One big push! COYS
 
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Players good enough for the starting XI of a title winning team:

Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Son, Dele, Kane. 6 players

Players good enough for a top 4 finish:

Lloris, Rose, Dier. 3 players

Decent squad players:

Gazzaniga, Aurier, Trippier, Walker-Peters, Davies, Sanchez, Foyth, Wanyama, Skipp, Winks, Sissoko, Lucas, Lamela, Llorente 14+ Players

When you consider that we lost Dembele & Walker, 2 clearly good enough for a title challenging team and have replaced their positions in the squad with players that realistically you would regard as decent squad players for a top 4 team it's clear that the quality levels for the first team are hampered by players that have backup qualities.

We currently have 6 top footballers, 3 that can hold their own and the rest that are of second string quality, meaning that in every match day we have at the very least 2 players starting who should be backup, most notably in the right back and central midfield areas.

Here is where we come up short, we have a squad too top heavy with decent squad level quality, a few that hold their own and half a dozen top players that do the dirty work. When they ain't on song the others simply don't have it in them to muster what it takes.

We have many young players that are decent who have room to grow but not enough quality surrounding the other positions. We have one player like Eriksen, have fallen back on a midfield consisting of Winks & Sissoko when before we had Wanyama & Dembele and have half the quality on the right side of our defence.

The quality we had is still there in large parts, but there is a weak underbelly that, due to injuries has slowly seeped into our first XI this season.

14 players in a 25 man squad that, let's be honest we wouldn't miss if they were sold tells you all about the class difference from the magical to the mediocre. If Poch is serious about this club, which he should be because it is a great club he needs to turn at least 5 of those decent squad positions into new signings that can more than hold their own in the top 4 or a title charge.

Really good post completely agree.

This is what I usual get back to, when I see us throwing another season under the bus - like we're about to now and have been for the past 3 years.

And it's also the point im trying to make in the Eriksen thread, when people go fucking bananas. Just look at the +14 average players we have. We're overachieving or the other teams behind us underperform.

We're just not good enough - simple as that. We can play so good some times, but in the end, we need way more better players & more leaders to challenge for the title.

It really is a shame, the new stadium will maybe give us another 5-10%, but that's still not enough.
Levy needs to show ambition and back Poch.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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Hopefully we enter the Liverpool match with our players having picked up some confidence playing with their countries and Pochettino having had a bit of time to refresh and rethink.

The transfer situation and stadium issues aren’t his fault, obviously, and as A&C says they have clearly had in impact. However, this season Pochettino has had his worst as well. Odd selections and needless formation changes, refusal to rotate out of form/ knackered players while rushing back others, none of this his helped. Throw in some strange comments in the press and his recent loss of control on the pitch and suddenly he’s been a bit less magic.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d never sugggest removing Pochettino, that’s madness and anybody suggesting it needs to have a word, but as with many of the players he has ‘lost form’ so to speak.

There is just over 20% of the season remaining, we are in a tough spot, but thankfully we still have it in our hands. All the key players are fit, we have the best squad of footballers to choose from and a manager who has been mostly superb for five years. One big push! COYS

A hint of negativity from BBLG.

Things are worse than I thought.
 

hellava_tough

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What absolute nonsense

This talk of Poch getting sacked..... seriously?

Us Spurs fans haven’t had it better since the early 60s and we want to sack the bloke responsible for that?

Levy is not about to sack Pochettino or finagle his departure. Blimey, even I don't think he's that fucking stupid. One would hope the (possible) bad news of us not getting CL would be received a lot more pragmatically by those at the club than by the knee-jerk onions of us fans who pretty much only look at things through eyes clouded by passion.

A few weeks ago we were hoping against hope that Pochettino would show some loyalty, show some character, show that with him actions speak louder than words. The past week all I've seen is talk about him going, people wanting him to leave and suchlike. We're such brilliant fans when things are going well.

I hope you're all correct, but if we finish outside of the Top 4 at the end of the season my opinion is that you'll be proved wrong.

Poch has said on a number of occasions that he was brought in to secure CL football in the first season, in the new stadium. If this doesn't happen, Levy's bottom-line will be severely effected.

Added to that, the nature of not finishing in the Top 4 would involve an end of season collapse. This would give Levy more reason to pull the trigger. He's done it before with Redknapp, but this time the stakes are higher with a stadium to pay for and naming rights to secure.

And finally, if the rumours are true of Poch refusing to sign players that are offered to him, Levy may also be hacked off with that; he'll be asking the question "Has this cost us CL football?".

Just my opinion, obviously, but this is the way I see it playing out.

On a separate note...

Levy needs to take a long hard look at himself, because when we've been in a position of strength over the years, we've never once doubled-down in the transfer market, to really 'go for it' and seriously challenge for a title.

Like I said before, very frustrating.
 

Kiedis

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The transfer situation and stadium issues aren’t his fault, obviously, and as A&C says they have clearly had in impact. However, this season Pochettino has had his worst as well. Odd selections and needless formation changes, refusal to rotate out of form/ knackered players while rushing back others, none of this his helped. Throw in some strange comments in the press and his recent loss of control on the pitch and suddenly he’s been a bit less magic.
COYS

Agree about some of his media comments, but the way he's navigated our injury crisis through tactical tweaks before and during games have been fantastic.
 

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No way in the World Levy will sack Pochettino. What the fuck are you people talking about? The plain fact is that we are way ahead of schedule on the pitch and the infrastructure is struggling to catch up. Levy's plan was to have us compete in the CL when we moved into the new stadium but we beat that deadline years ago. Those around us have spent hundreds of millions to reel us in and as a result have stronger squads than us and wage bills that would feed half of the world. Levy has had to find a massive amount of extra money for the stadium and we're still waiting on a naming rights deal. Until that is sorted we have to make do and mend with a squad full off knackered or walking wounded players. We're in a bad place right now but we've been in some incredibly good places for the past few years - the best in living memory. Levy and Poch are a strong team and they deserve our support irrespective of what we think they should be doing when we have no idea of the constraints they're working under.
 
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I hope you're all correct, but if we finish outside of the Top 4 at the end of the season my opinion is that you'll be proved wrong.

Poch has said on a number of occasions that he was brought in to secure CL football in the first season, in the new stadium. If this doesn't happen, Levy's bottom-line will be severely effected.

Added to that, the nature of not finishing in the Top 4 would involve an end of season collapse. This would give Levy more reason to pull the trigger. He's done it before with Redknapp, but this time the stakes are higher with a stadium to pay for and naming rights to secure.

And finally, if the rumours are true of Poch refusing to sign players that are offered to him, Levy may also be hacked off with that; he'll be asking the question "Has this cost us CL football?".

Just my opinion, obviously, but this is the way I see it playing out.

On a separate note...

Levy needs to take a long hard look at himself, because when we've been in a position of strength over the years, we've never once doubled-down in the transfer market, to really 'go for it' and seriously challenge for a title.

Like I said before, very frustrating.

That will just never happen. And if it does, I bet Levy will soon follow.

As ITK said Poch & Levy have a really good relationship.
 

hellava_tough

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No way in the World Levy will sack Pochettino. What the fuck are you people talking about? The plain fact is that we are way ahead of schedule on the pitch and the infrastructure is struggling to catch up. Levy's plan was to have us compete in the CL when we moved into the new stadium but we beat that deadline years ago. Those around us have spent hundreds of millions to reel us in and as a result have stronger squads than us and wage bills that would feed half of the world. Levy has had to find a massive amount of extra money for the stadium and we're still waiting on a naming rights deal. Until that is sorted we have to make do and mend with a squad full off knackered or walking wounded players. We're in a bad place right now but we've been in some incredibly good places for the past few years - the best in living memory. Levy and Poch are a strong team and they deserve our support irrespective of what we think they should be doing when we have no idea of the constraints they're working under.

Not sure anyone else has this opinion; just me :LOL:
 
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