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Eric Dier

Tit&Ham

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First of all, Dier is the face of the Spurs-rennesance...

Second, this is new times... Even if he is not first XI, there are so many games that he would Get plenty of game time - 20-40 starts per season.

Keep him!
 

WiganSpur

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Only on this place can you have people complain so much about needing more depth in centre midfield. Then after selling Dembele, the constant injuries to Wanyama, and still getting no centre midfield signings talk about selling Dier.
To be fair when people are talking about depth they are talking about the quality of that depth I think. Dembele was getting past it, as is Wanyama. Winks was looking promising but not everyone predicted he would improve as he has done this season. We've had reasonable numbers there (especially playing 4-3-3 with both or one of Eriksen and Alli involved), but quality has been a problem. Skipp and especially Winks have really helped us in that regard though.

As I said, i'd for sure keep Dier as Toby replacement and for emergency CM cover. Is he good enough to start every game in the middle of the park though? No.

Being honest I think he's shot himself in the foot asking to play CM. As it meant we brought Foyth and Sanchez in who have now rightly claimed spots in the side.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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To be fair when people are talking about depth they are talking about the quality of that depth I think. Dembele was getting past it, as is Wanyama. Winks was looking promising but not everyone predicted he would improve as he has done this season. We've had reasonable numbers there (especially playing 4-3-3 with both or one of Eriksen and Alli involved), but quality has been a problem. Skipp and especially Winks have really helped us in that regard though.

As I said, i'd for sure keep Dier as Toby replacement and for emergency CM cover. Is he good enough to start every game in the middle of the park though? No.

Being honest I think he's shot himself in the foot asking to play CM. As it meant we brought Foyth and Sanchez in who have now rightly claimed spots in the side.
To be honest I agree, I think poch once said he believes that dier can be a good CM but he could be a world class CB and I agree, he’s an ‘ok’ CM/CDM but for me I’d much rather he dropped back to CB when Toby goes, him, Foyth, Sanchez and a new LCB would be brilliant.
 

SpursSince1980

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This! I love Dier's warrior mentality and i really want to keep him in the squad, but not as a first choice dm. I have no problem with him being a utility player we can use in different areas if needed but he should mainly be played as a center back. He's got everything a good center back needs and the thing he's lacking he can still work on (which is mainly to stay focused throughout the whole game)
Yes exactly. To me, the carrot for him should be England selection. I think his place in the squad (never mind the first XI) will be at threat starting next year. Other (better) options are starting to emerge in midfield for Southgate. EG: Winks, Foden, Rice, etc. So, if Dier wants to keep playing for England he will need to reconsider his position on the field. And should he decide to be a CB, I don't see any reason why he can't compete with Stones, Maguire, etc for a spot in the starting lineup.
 

sparx100

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He can still be developed, look at Sissoko, you don't stop improving when you turn a certain age.

But when? Sanchez and Foyth to a lesser degree are getting experience and development by playing the position. Say Toby goes in the summer it is likely to still be Sanchez and Verts as first choice.
 

mil1lion

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To be fair when people are talking about depth they are talking about the quality of that depth I think. Dembele was getting past it, as is Wanyama. Winks was looking promising but not everyone predicted he would improve as he has done this season. We've had reasonable numbers there (especially playing 4-3-3 with both or one of Eriksen and Alli involved), but quality has been a problem. Skipp and especially Winks have really helped us in that regard though.

As I said, i'd for sure keep Dier as Toby replacement and for emergency CM cover. Is he good enough to start every game in the middle of the park though? No.

Being honest I think he's shot himself in the foot asking to play CM. As it meant we brought Foyth and Sanchez in who have now rightly claimed spots in the side.
Dier is more than good enough quality wise though. We're a long way off replacing him. I'm sure a top team will pay 25m for Toby so that will mean space at centre back. Vertonghen isn't getting any younger either and also down to the final year of his contract. I think it makes a lot of sense for Dier to drop into centre back. Not just for us but for England too. He still has a lot to offer us and his qualities are totally different to Sissoko and Winks. He offers better protection to our defence than those 2 when in midfield and of course can play centre back. Sissoko does protect the right back mind but doesn't screen the centre back like Dier.

To be honest I think people are getting a bit carried away with the Sissoko and Winks pairing. I do like them together but defensively we have been opened up way too much. We should be looking to add another player like Dier to replace Wanyama, not thinking of letting Dier go.
 

DCSPUR

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No way is he first choice anymore after the way Winks and Sissokko are playing together. Will be interesting to see how Poch plays this out when he's back.

There is lot's of talk about first choice but surely the lesson learned from this recent run is:

1. it is a squad game
2. if we have more players fit, we can have better rotation and reduce injury risk

there will be games where Dier is the right choice, others where Sissoko and Winks will be partners, some with 3 at the back, some games with 4.....options, choices etc.

Couple of other points:
1. Poch loves the lad and has said from 2 seasons ago that Dier will be with us at the new stadium
2. Still young and will get better

Also, if you consider Dembele gone, likely Wanyama gone, not to mention other squad players leaving....We are going to be short numbers this summer big time - particularly if you think of other changes like RB etc.. No way we should get rid of Dier.
 

Bulletspur

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Looking at how much he's played under Poch should make it easy to deduce that he'll still play a big role for us when he's back to full fitness. He's been a hugely influential player for us for years and I just think it's strange how easily some people are willing to discard him.
I am happy to replace him if there's better. I don't do sentiments as the club comes 1st. Call it discard, call it replace or whatever but at this moment in time both Winks and Sissoko are better. Like @Trix I never rated him as much as some of you and questioned why he was selected for certain games.
 

double0

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Dier isn’t the weak link for me and it does surprise me that people fail to appreciate his strengths (luckily Pochettino sees different) he’s positionally aware and Pochettino will switch formations during games so fluidly because Dier is very pivotal if you understand Pochettino philosophy.

I can understand the debate going on with Dier because maybe he doesn’t dominate games but for those that see the bigger picture you will understand Dier’s underrated role.
 

cider spurs

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I don't think we should sell Dier, what I do like however, is the notion that if he's dropped from regular starting berth, that sees him work his arse off to get back in the starting eleven.

End result, player improvement benefitting the team.

Sissoko being a prime example.
 

dtxspurs

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I don't think we should sell Dier, what I do like however, is the notion that if he's dropped from regular starting berth, that sees him work his arse off to get back in the starting eleven.

End result, player improvement benefitting the team.

Sissoko being a prime example.
He just needs some competition again. One Sander Berge please!
 

Hoopspur

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Super disciplined for Poch's formation - or has been. He is the spare player from Hugo time and time again. Receive the ball, make space and a simple pass. Not as mobile as he could be but you won't find as many that actually stick to their jobs. An advanced 3rd CH.
 

hughy

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My biggest issue with Dier is his ability to at least once a game play an absolute suicide pass to an opponents forward, immediately putting us in danger. You could let him off if this happened once every 4/5 games, but it seems to be every game these days. More often than not you can see when it's about to happen too.
 

longtimespur

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My biggest issue with Dier is his ability to at least once a game play an absolute suicide pass to an opponents forward, immediately putting us in danger. You could let him off if this happened once every 4/5 games, but it seems to be every game these days. More often than not you can see when it's about to happen too.
He obviously can't hear you.
:)Shout out louder and warn him.
 

coys200

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He’s gonna have to up his game in terms of Spurs and England to regain his place. So let’s see what he’s made of. After Sissoko I refuse to write anyone off.
 

Ron Burgundy

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My biggest issue with Dier is his ability to at least once a game play an absolute suicide pass to an opponents forward, immediately putting us in danger. You could let him off if this happened once every 4/5 games, but it seems to be every game these days. More often than not you can see when it's about to happen too.

There’s that and how immobile he is

Actually I think his passing is pretty sharp - possibly superior to Winks - but Dier’s skill level and mobility is pretty low for a CM
 

Everlasting Seconds

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He is 25 now so can't be considered young and still to be developed..
Players peak and mature at different times. Not every single player reaches the same peak at the same age. It's quite possible to peak at for instance 28, in which case there are several good seasons ahead for Dier. More importantly we can't sell him because we don't have cover and we don't sign new players anyway. We already struggle with offloading players who don't play, and buying shinier ones. Offloading players who do play strikes me as an uncommonly bad idea.
 
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