Eric Dier

Led's Zeppelin · Feb 14, 2019

Primativ said:
Dier wasn’t playing very well before his injury. Not well at all. Him being out injured for a few months hasn’t changed that.

In fact it’s been around 12 to 18 months of meh performances and decline really.

Many of us were saying he was the most upgradable player we had in the first 11. He’s a squad option but he’s certainly not a shoe in to get back in. I feel Sissoko is undroppable so that leaves a choice of Winks or Dier for the remaining spot.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Sissoko and Winks to both play every game over a whole season.

Like with Kane, having a reliable, talented replacement who’s not a massive downgrade and who brings his own different qualities is very important indeed but very hard to find, but Dier fits that bill not just for Sissoko and Winks, but for quite a few other positions as well.

It’s too easy to undervalue what he brings to the team.

Jimmypearce7 · Feb 14, 2019

I think Dier will have a huge part to play in the rest of the season, coming back fit and rested. Not saying i would drop Winks or Sissoko for him, those two have done so well but Dier has been key part of our great team and always finds an important role.

spurs mental · Feb 14, 2019

Anyone suggesting Dier should be sold needs to consider what it would do to Dele's mood as well, in my opinion.

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 14, 2019

yido_number1 said:
Talk of Dier not being good enough is crazy. This is a classic case of a player being injured and forgetting what he brings. We need 4 strong CM's and to my mind Wanyama is the one that will make way. Dier, Sissoko, Winks and hopefully a quality ball playing box to box will be perfect.

Dier's ability to become the third CB mid game is something none of our other CB's offer and was something we were using really well previously. I would definitely try to move Wanyama on this summer if at all possible.

spurs9 said:
A utility player that can play CM and drop into CB seamlessly that is also a leader with a personality that is perfect for our squad.....why would you contemplate selling a player with all of those attributes. It's absolute madness IMO.

Two blueprint conclusions to the discussion.

Primativ said:
Dier wasn’t playing very well before his injury. Not well at all. Him being out injured for a few months hasn’t changed that.

In fact it’s been around 12 to 18 months of meh performances and decline really.

Many of us were saying he was the most upgradable player we had in the first 11. He’s a squad option but he’s certainly not a shoe in to get back in. I feel Sissoko is undroppable so that leaves a choice of Winks or Dier for the remaining spot.

It makes no sense to say that Sissoko is undroppable but Dier expendable. They are virtually of the same quality and ability, but with different main traits.

Japhet · Feb 14, 2019

yido_number1 said:
Talk of Dier not being good enough is crazy. This is a classic case of a player being injured and forgetting what he brings. We need 4 strong CM's and to my mind Wanyama is the one that will make way. Dier, Sissoko, Winks and hopefully a quality ball playing box to box will be perfect.

Dier's ability to become the third CB mid game is something none of our other CB's offer and was something we were using really well previously. I would definitely try to move Wanyama on this summer if at all possible.

All absolutely true. However, I can't help thinking about Poch's words from a short while ago when he said we should be ready to sell some senior players. It seems to me that Dier could be one such player. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very good player with great leadership qualities, but we don't exactly struggle when he's not around. We don't seem to play the system where he drops between the CBs any more, and Winks and Sissoko are flying in CM. Skipp is getting more experience in the shielding role too so Dier isn't an automatic choice like he once was.

wrd · Feb 14, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
Two blueprint conclusions to the discussion.

It makes no sense to say that Sissoko is undroppable but Dier expendable. They are virtually of the same quality and ability, but with different main traits.

You have to take form into account though, Sissoko is on fire at the moment and Dier has been out of form for a good while, long term we'll see but right now I don't think there's a justification to drop Sissoko or Winks, However there we have played diamond a lot and I'd like to see how that'd look with Dier in the hole behind Sissoko and Winks and allowing Eriksen to play closer to the front 2.

RichieS · Feb 14, 2019

I think Dier has shown he can fulfil any of the following roles well:
CM in a solid 4231 alongside Sissoko or Winks (the role he rose to prominence in).
DM either in a 433 with Sissoko and Winks or in the 442 diamond with MS, HW and Eriksen. In fact, that diamond has pretty much everything you want in that system. It would entail rotating Son and Dele further forward though...
RCB or CB in a back 3.

Outside shout - he has put in performances not dissimilar to Jan's last night at right back and is one of the best crossers at the club.

He should never be played in midfield in front of a back 3 imo.

It's a squad game and he gives us so many options and that's without even mentioning the huge positives of his mentality and approach. We'd be mad to sell him.

mil1lion · Feb 14, 2019

I fancy him to drop into a back 3 especially if Toby leaves. Right centre back of a back 3. For me Winks and Sissoko only works with a back 3 or against teams that defend deep. It worked against Everton because they didn't have a defensive midfielder either. We outscored them in a very open game. We're too open with 2 centre backs and Winks/Sissoko against teams that come forward as was clear against Leicester.

Personally if we were to fit our best 11 into one team it would have to be

Lloris
Alderweireld----Sanchez----Vertonghen
Sissoko---------------------------------------------Rose
Winks
Eriksen----------Alli
Kane
Son

Dier covers Alderweireld and Winks.

sparx100 · Feb 14, 2019

spurs mental said:
Anyone suggesting Dier should be sold needs to consider what it would do to Dele's mood as well, in my opinion.

You can't keep players though to keep their mates happy! If he is not good enough to be in a 25 man squad he shouĺd be sold.

Not saying that this is the case, but Central Midfield need a freshen up and if we were to bring in other midfielders (creative/dynamic) then you could see Dier not featuring too regularly.

talkshowhost86 · Feb 14, 2019

It wasn't long ago that Dembele and Dier was our 100% starting duo.

Personally I was convinced that Wanyama and Winks was going to the the long term plan.

Now it looks like Sissoko and Winks have formed that partnership that puts them top of the list.

My point being that things can change quickly, even from game to game. To advocate selling Dier now seems a bit short-sighted to me.

But what do I know...by next season our starting midfield due will probably be Skipp and N'Koudou.

Roynie · Feb 14, 2019

I think when Poch is talking about letting senior players go he is talking about older players. Toby is 30 in March, Jan is 32 in April, Eric was 25 in January. Now I'm not suggesting that either Tody or Jan should be sold. However, if Poch wants to keep a younger side, or encourage younger players to come through the system to the first team they are more likely to be let go that the younger Eric. Added to that is his versitility in being able to player either DM or CB and, indeed, switch between the two mid-match.

I'm just glad I don't have to make those decisions!

Shadydan · Feb 14, 2019

Still has a huge role to play, I don't understand the 'get rid' mentality of some when other start playing well.

sak11 · Feb 14, 2019

When fit Eric Dier has barely missed a game under Poch. His versatility is crucial for Poch and how he has shaped his squad. He is not being sold before Wanyama or other players who have no signed contracts.

tommyt · Feb 14, 2019

It'll be a test for Dier to get a regular starting place in the first 11 with others stepping up in his absence.

This can only be a good thing for us as he definitely has the mentality and will try his best, whether he has the ability to do it we will see.

dondo · Feb 14, 2019

Toby could be off in the summer and super jan is nearly 32 that leaves Sanchez Foyth and Dier as our future cbs in a few years imo

Primativ · Feb 14, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
Two blueprint conclusions to the discussion.

It makes no sense to say that Sissoko is undroppable but Dier expendable. They are virtually of the same quality and ability, but with different main traits.

Sissoko has this season shown a level Dier only got close to in his first season. Plus Sissoko plays a different role.

I’m not saying we sell Dier we need strength in depth but he needs to show more than he has.

Everlasting Seconds · Feb 14, 2019

Primativ said:
Sissoko has this season shown a level Dier only got close to in his first season. Plus Sissoko plays a different role.

I’m not saying we sell Dier we need strength in depth but he needs to show more than he has.

I agree that their roles are not entirely overlapping but their quality and ability can be measured like for like and is largely identical. There is not statistical, significant difference between the two. They are the same robust and useful but uneventful type of player.

Primativ · Feb 14, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
I agree that their roles are not entirely overlapping but their quality and ability can be measured like for like and is largely identical. There is not statistical, significant difference between the two. They are the same robust and useful but uneventful type of player.

Well yes and no. I mean how are they similar? Sissoko can beat a press with his power and pace, he is a box to box player, who also gets back and covers defensively. He normally keeps play simple from a passing perspective.

Dier does not get around the pitch as much as Sissoko, he isn't as dynamic. He is quite a passive player. You can't call Sissoko passive. Dier in his first season was more dynamic than he is now, he hasn't been for ages. He often stands around pointing. I don't have stats but I'd be amazed if Dier runs anywhere near as much as Sissoko does. Dier is strong in the tackle and aerially, so is Sissoko. Dier fancies himself as a bit of a ball player, but he rarely passes that well. He's also liable to a some major calamities defensively as we've seen. Gets caught on the ball etc

As I say, Dier needs to improve markedly. We without doubt need to bring in another top quality CM in the summer.

There is no way Winks and Dier works, because we need Sissoko's box to box progressive ability in getting us up the pitch, Dier can't do that. Dier is deeper lying like Winks, but Winks recent improvement means Dier is a bit redundant. As Winks is better in possession and Sissoko is able to cover what Dier brings defensively, as Sissoko has power and strength too. Plus Winks gets stuck in and intercepts balls.

TheHoddleWaddle · Feb 14, 2019

spurs9 said:
A utility player that can play CM and drop into CB seamlessly that is also a leader with a personality that is perfect for our squad.....why would you contemplate selling a player with all of those attributes. It's absolute madness IMO.

Perfect for the club, I don't think it will suit him. Obviously remains to be seen, but I can't see him being satisfied as a 'utility' / back up. He might well win his first team spot back, but at the moment he has a lot of work to do.

RichieS · Feb 14, 2019

TheHoddleWaddle said:
Perfect for the club, I don't think it will suit him. Obviously remains to be seen, but I can't see him being satisfied as a 'utility' / back up. He might well win his first team spot back, but at the moment he has a lot of work to do.

If he does that work to Poche's satisfaction then everyone's a winner! The joys of having a quality squad are many.

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