Match Threads Spurs vs Leicester - Match Thread

TEESSIDE1 · Feb 10, 2019

Shadydan said:
We're lucky that Leicester couldnt finish their chances and we finished ours?

Gonna have to explain that one to me...

Leicester missed several excellent chances, we were poor especially in the 1st half and very open at the back, a better side would have punished us so yes we were very lucky.

The pundits and post match commentators also agree we were very lucky today.

Phomesy · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
My first post on the subject said it all really. There was minimal contact at most, some of the replies I've had suggest it was clearly swiping him out (lol) or even inventing something happening (he was pushed by some mystery 3rd player!?).

And everyone can be top fans all they like but he then did throw himself over rather than running through and properly getting clocked. Just because other soft penalties (including in the same game.....) get given, doesn't mean this one should have for me. He tried to make the most of a tiny bit of contact, it failed, when it might not have done with several refs, but it did, move on. I'm more bothered about the crap performance I had to endure for 90 minutes today in all honesty.

I have no problem with the penalty not being given as long as the ref is being consistent - which he/you went on to prove by giving Maddison an even softer penalty.

But Oliver/You gave Son a card. Said he was cheating.

Maguire stuck out his foot and made contact. That is a FACT.

It is the third time IN A ROW that our players have been given cards for simulation when in each situation THERE WAS CONTACT.

Don't you think this is an issue we as a club should be upset about?

TEESSIDE1 · Feb 10, 2019

ajspurs said:
To be honest I think he massively got away with it today. Thought he watched us performing poorly without changing anything for way to long.

It was like the reverse of the United game for us, on another day we could have lost that 3 or 4-1.

Don’t criticise the team, you’re not allowed lol

But yes I agree we won ugly today, Leicester deserved something out of that game.

Bulletspur · Feb 10, 2019

werty said:
No one else on our team can make that pass as regularly as Eriksen does. De Bruyne is probably the only one in the league who's better than him at it.

I disagree, mainly because he has not been making them regularly as you put it. Todays goal and assist is masking Eriksen's poor form of late.

A lot on here seem to forget the miss passes to the opposition or not being accurate enough to go to one of our players in recent games. Even in today's game before the goals, there were two occasions where he caused Son to run offside by holding unto the ball a little too long, where usually he would have played him on straight away. Very uncharacteristic of him.

I really hope that this game will be the turnaround of fortune where his form is concerned and we see the real Eriksen that we know he can be. If you and @Phomesy take this as Eriksen bashing, so be it but it is not my intention, just calling it as I see it

Gb160 · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
My first post on the subject said it all really. There was minimal contact at most, some of the replies I've had suggest it was clearly swiping him out (lol) or even inventing something happening (he was pushed by some mystery 3rd player!?).

And everyone can be top fans all they like but he then did throw himself over rather than running through and properly getting clocked. Just because other soft penalties (including in the same game.....) get given, doesn't mean this one should have for me. He tried to make the most of a tiny bit of contact, it failed, when it might not have done with several refs, but it did, move on. I'm more bothered about the crap performance I had to endure for 90 minutes today in all honesty.

As Ive said, if you'd paid attention to football over the last few years, these are given week in, week out...defender goes for the ball, makes no contact with it, catches the player, it's a pen...sorry mate, welcome to modern football.
If he'd booked Maddison for the what was effectively a very similar incident, then it wouldn't irritate as much, but he didn't, he did what refs nearly always do in football today in that situation and gave the pen.
And I'm not sure what this incident has to do with our overall performance, not many are saying we played well, but that's completely irrelevant regarding the penalty incident.

easley91 · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
My first post on the subject said it all really. There was minimal contact at most, some of the replies I've had suggest it was clearly swiping him out (lol) or even inventing something happening (he was pushed by some mystery 3rd player!?).

And everyone can be top fans all they like but he then did throw himself over rather than running through and properly getting clocked. Just because other soft penalties (including in the same game.....) get given, doesn't mean this one should have for me. He tried to make the most of a tiny bit of contact, it failed, when it might not have done with several refs, but it did, move on. I'm more bothered about the crap performance I had to endure for 90 minutes today in all honesty.

There was contact. Initially I didn't think pen or dive. That is possible, you know? There was also a slight push (ever so slight) by another Leicester defender, though not enough to put Son over. To say Son deserved the booking for simulation is ridiculous. There was contact, I have seen players go down looking for it and even initiate the contact (Vardy a prime example) and get the penalty.

After multiple replays, I feel it was a penalty, maybe soft, but a penalty nonetheless. Maddison's was not. But if you give one, you have to give the other. There is zero consistency with referees.

Phomesy · Feb 10, 2019

Bulletspur said:
just calling it as I see it

#Shouldhavegonetospecsavers

mpickard2087 · Feb 10, 2019

Phomesy said:
I have no problem with the penalty not being given as long as the ref is being consistent - which he/you went on to prove by giving Maddison an even softer penalty.

But Oliver/You gave Son a card. Said he was cheating.

Maguire stuck out his foot and made contact. That is a FACT.

It is the third time IN A ROW that our players have been given cards for simulation when in each situation THERE WAS CONTACT.

Don't you think this is an issue we as a club should be upset about?

No the club shouldn't get upset, because the referee will just say he thought it was. It is utterly pointless to waste any time or energy complaining about it, and I'd rather they were focusing on the team's performances good or bad rather than the irrelevant creeping into their minds.

We're also well capable through certain players of drawing fouls from not much (and, lets be honest, sometimes no) contact. Sometimes it goes in your favour, sometimes it doesn't.

Neither was a penalty for me, that he decided to give the Leicester one is infuriating, it's for fans to get irate, footballers and coaches get on with their fucking jobs.

werty · Feb 10, 2019

Bulletspur said:
I disagree, mainly because he has not been making them regularly as you put it. Todays goal and assist is masking Eriksen's poor form of late.

A lot on here seem to forget the miss passes to the opposition or not being accurate enough to go to one of our players in recent games. Even in today's game before the goals, there were two occasions where he caused Son to run offside by holding unto the ball a little too long, where usually he would have played him on straight away. Very uncharacteristic of him.

I really hope that this game will be the turnaround of fortune where his form is concerned and we see the real Eriksen that we know he can be. If you and @Phomesy take this as Eriksen bashing, so be it but it is not my intention, just calling it as I see it

I agree that he's not being playing well lately, by his standards. I think a lot of it is due to where we are playing him and our formation, but I'm fed up of talking about that. At the same time, if another player (who's name will go unmentioned) had put in the same performance as he did today he'd be getting 9 out of 10s in the match ratings thread.

Nevertheless, when he's in that position to cross where he was today he's one of the best in the world at it and way better than any of the ones you've mentioned who might do it once in a blue moon. We need to get him in that position more.

buttons · Feb 10, 2019

Another game we probably wouldn’t have won in the past but have ground out a very nice win to keep the run going.

I was a bit disappointed we weren’t slightly sharper given we’ve had a weeks rest but I dare say we had one eye on Wednesday. Hugo, Rose and Sissoko probably the stand out performers for me.

Have to give Leicester a lot of credit too, nice to see a team come to Wembley and give it a go.

mpickard2087 · Feb 10, 2019

easley91 said:
I have seen players go down looking for it and even initiate the contact (Vardy a prime example) and get the penalty.

That was a point I made, I have no problem with players initiating contact and winning penalties - it's professional sport and about winning after all. The leg was hung to go over, Son should have run through it and absolutely made sure. Instead he threw himself over in an unconvincing way, from minimal contact, and unsurprisingly didn't get it.

If he needs lessons on how to win penalties, I am very happy to go down to Hotspur Way and give him a few pointers.......

Anyway, I have stated my case. I am in a minority because it was Spurs and of course it was a penalty, c'est la vie.

Any other replies from anyone I'll try to respond to later....

Phomesy · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
No the club shouldn't get upset, because the referee will just say he thought it was. It is utterly pointless to waste any time or energy complaining about it, and I'd rather they were focusing on the team's performances good or bad rather than the irrelevant creeping into their minds.

We're also well capable through certain players of drawing fouls from not much (and, lets be honest, sometimes no) contact. Sometimes it goes in your favour, sometimes it doesn't.

Neither was a penalty for me, that he decided to give the Leicester one is infuriating, it's for fans to get irate, footballers and coaches get on with their fucking jobs.

SO it's not the job of the manager or club to defend their players when they are unfairly accused of being cheats?

Are you on a high horse or just fucking high?

Gb160 · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
Neither was a penalty for me, that he decided to give the Leicester one is infuriating, it's for fans to get irate, footballers and coaches get on with their fucking jobs.

But that is part of his 'fucking job', to put pressure on the officials via the media when he feels there's been an injustice, just like every other manager in the fucking league does.

Phomesy · Feb 10, 2019

buttons said:
Have to give Leicester a lot of credit too, nice to see a team come to Wembley and give it a go.

They play some lovely football and have all year really - without getting results.

The Leicester fans hate Puel but you can see what he's trying to achieve.

Thought they played as well as anyone we've faced at Wembley this season tbh

eViL · Feb 10, 2019

TEESSIDE1 said:
But yes I agree we won ugly today, Leicester deserved something out of that game.

Just like we did when they beat us with their only attempt of the entire game back in 2016. They went on to win the League.

Fuck em.

easley91 · Feb 10, 2019

mpickard2087 said:
That was a point I made, I have no problem with players initiating contact and winning penalties - it's professional sport and about winning after all. The leg was hung to go over, Son should have run through it and absolutely made sure. Instead he threw himself over in an unconvincing way, from minimal contact, and unsurprisingly didn't get it.

If he needs lessons on how to win penalties, I am very happy to go down to Hotspur Way and give him a few pointers.......

Anyway, I have stated my case. I am in a minority because it was Spurs and of course it was a penalty, c'est la vie.

Any other replies from anyone I'll try to respond to later....

I have seen players go to ground far easier than Son did in that instance. You need to watch replays from a different angle to see the push as well, even a slight one at the pace Son goes can make him go over Maguire's leg. Penalty? 50/50. Dive and a booking? No way.

Mr Pink · Feb 10, 2019

It was a penalty, albeit it would of looked a bit soft.

But to book him for simulation was an absolute joke.

minesadouble · Feb 10, 2019

That wasn’t fun but I never expected it to be.

Leicester are the 7th best squad in the PL. Not so sure about their manager but they have some very good players. It was never going to be an easy match.

Meanwhile, Poch is juggling an already stretched squad, injuries and with a CL game coming up on Wednesday. No other Top 6 side would have partnered Skipp and Winks in a game like that. Yet we did. And we won. But it wasn’t relaxing.

Kudos to Lloris. He had a great game in all areas (shot-stops, distribution, anticipation) and also saved a pen which is rare. Sanchez and Rose were very good. The rest of the defence okay. We were mostly exposed at the back by our lack of control of midfield and upfront, and Leicester’s talent, rather than our own defensive mistakes.

Sissoko? How can a man go from a joke to a lynchpin in a few months? He’s clearly a confidence player. Boos from our fans and his own mistakes used to be a vicious circle of declining confidence. Now, his own song and his driving runs are helping him get even better each game. One day he’s going to score a winner. No doubt.

Eriksen. How can anybody debate his value to the team? In my opinion, only those who’ve never played seriously. Just because he can deliver 10/10 you can’t criticise him when he’s ‘only’ 8/10 and yet is still our most influential player. He’s bustling about without his usual front-3 mates and (I suspect) was also told to keep something in reserve for Wednesday. But he made our first goal, scored our second and marshalled the team. End of.

Go on my Son. Nailed on penalty. Gets a yellow card. But within a few minutes he’s smiling again. And it’s not often in the past 3 decades Spurs have had a striker who, when he’s through one-on-one, you just KNOW he’s going to score. Shout out to the Moose for a fantastic pass.

Like Poch, I never criticise Refs. It’s a tough job and most PL refs do it decently most of the time. Oliver had a shocker. I just hope he realises it as he drives home tonight.

wpmcg · Feb 10, 2019

If you give one pen you have to give the other? That's just not true. Ours was a pen, theirs wasn't.

SirNiNyHotspur · Feb 10, 2019

Michael Oliverpool stats this season:

Crystal Palace 0-2 Liverpool (Palace Red Card and Liverpool given Penalty)
Tottenham 1-2 Liverpool (Last min pen denied for Spurs)
Huddersfield 0-1 Liverpool (Let's face it, wouldn't have had to do anything in this match to ensure win)
Liverpool 5-1 Arsenal (2 pens given to Liverpool)

If you add in all the dodgy decisions v us (wouldn't be surprised if against City too)... Newcastle fan apparently :whistle:

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