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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 22nd January 2019

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SpartanSpur

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Trix said:
So what we can take from that is it's only worth spending if it improves the side. Hence why Poch is only interested in players he believes will do that.
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Oh I agree, but it's clear that some compromise is going to need to be found between Levy and Poch on this front because we appear to be in an unhealthy stalemate right now, with no real indication things will change any time soon.
 
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Would they? Seems to me the £100mil has made little difference
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Well, Mitrovic is their best player and top goalscorer, their second best goalscorer is Schurre, Seri does well too. Yes, I'm pretty sure they'd be doing worse.

I'm not saying let's buy anyone just for the sake of it. When club decided (?) not to buy anyone in summer - I trust them, If they choose not to buy anyone now - fine, they know more than I do. But I think we can agree its a risky tactic - not doing transfers will not improve us (at best), and there is a real chance it will make the team worse, not to mention the outgoings.
 
Blackrat1299

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Do we align to the system of rollover.....I.E. We didn't spend last TW, does that amount rollover to this TW, and if we dont spend now, will that rollover to next TW? A triple rollover!!!!.
 
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Trix said:
Would they? Seems to me the £100mil has made little difference

So what we can take from that is it's only worth spending if it improves the side. Hence why Poch is only interested in players he believes will do that.
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Makes sense. If the lessons of Janssen etc are to be learned it’s that buying players we don’t use is a waste of money and they are hard to sell.

Only thing is it comes across as all the players that Poch believes can improve us are either out of our price range or don’t want to come here.

If our youth players can step up brilliant but if they can’t our season could go down quickly. You’d think there must be some middle ground between 5th choice dross and the likes of De Jong that could improve us and we could afford.
 
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It seems to me that there is a consistency between the majority of the ITKers (thanks all of you) and Poch and Levy (what little he says). They are approaching this with long term sustainable success as the goal which requires consistent Champions League over Trophies (For right or wrong). Business wise, it makes perfect sense as the potential increase in value creating a global brand with all the revenue streams that follow is mind boggling. Without having the endless cash of oil money, etc they have to do it a "different way" which is one of the reasons Poch may find us as appealing as he does as he definitely is a challenge type person. That means being close to best in class in all operations whether it is a training ground, stadium or even dare i write, the cheese shop. For instance and at the risk of stating the obvious, developing a top notch academy means creating a revenue stream of sell-able players while reducing our cost of raw materials. It sounds as if we're not willing to bring in someone who creates a financial problem for the club (ala Ozil and gang), isn't willing to subjugate his ego for the sake of the team (Adebayor, Townsend) or who's style is inconsistent with Poch's style of play. Add to that the pricing in the marketplace for players and voila, its a recipe for limited transfers. I suspect, but don't know, that Levy and Poch are more in agreement than not, but for the time being, it seems prudent to take Poch at his word. He may omit things, but he doesn't lie. Our players wouldn't have bought into his vision so consistently if they saw any inconsistency between what he said and what he did. With that said, i think most of us agree that it is crazy not to bring in a player of two with high football IQs in the transfer window even if it means they are learning as they go. It just means we have to be highly selective.
 
King of the Lane

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Trix said:
Would they? Seems to me the £100mil has made little difference

So what we can take from that is it's only worth spending if it improves the side. Hence why Poch is only interested in players he believes will do that.
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Yet we wont spend on Werner as he is seen as too expensive. Either you spend the money and get the players or you dont. Can't compare us to Liverpool as they have gone for it while we just watch
 
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If our budget is 100m+ and a player of Timo Werner’s quality and potential is within that range and Poch wants him but we say its too much of our budget, then honestly what the hell are we even doing here? If we wont operate like a top club and would rather multiple cheaper lesser quality over one top player, we will never win or learn.
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You assume it's the club that's blocking it on financial grounds when it could very easily be Poch, maybe he likes Werner but not for the price quoted. I don't see how it would make much difference to Levy how the £100m is spent so
King of the Lane said:
Yet we wont spend on Werner as he is seen as too expensive. Either you spend the money and get the players or you dont. Can't compare us to Liverpool as they have gone for it while we just watch
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Liverpool were also prepared to sign no-one rather than signing second choices, the example cuts both ways. I like Werner but if we were going to spend £70m on someone then he wouldn't be top of my list.
 
JUSTINSIGNAL

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Trouble is our budget doesn’t stretch to players better than our first 11.
It’s going to be £50/60m plus a pop to get one of those now.
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Bingo. And that is why it is so difficult for us to sign anyone. And even the players we are seemingly willing to pay out on such as De Jong won't sign for us because there talent puts them on the radar of elite clubs such as Barcelona. This is the problem we have but I guess the thinking is if we keep aiming high eventually one of these signings will come off.
 
King of the Lane

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HenryDuquemin said:
You assume it's the club that's blocking it on financial grounds when it could very easily be Poch, maybe he likes Werner but not for the price quoted. I don't see how it would make much difference to Levy how the £100m is spent so


Liverpool were also prepared to sign no-one rather than signing second choices, the example cuts both ways. I like Werner but if we were going to spend £70m on someone then he wouldn't be top of my list.
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My point though is that they could have bought nobody but instead they identified their targets, went for it and paid the money and are now are reaping the rewards. We identify targets and then seemingly stop there.
 
Fredo

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No, obviously he is not. But spending huge amounts of money guarantees nothing.

Its never about the money. Sanchez, Son, Dele, Harry, VJ, Bent
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I can pretty much say we were in a similar position to Liverpool though before they splashed the cash and look what happened.

With the right manager and recruitment staff I believe splashing the cash will pay off more often than not in this modern era, especially if we are challenging for titles or to remain in top 4 - we don't know what Chelsea, United and Arsenal got up their sleeves.

Therefore although I agree money guarantees nothing, but investing in youth also has no guarantees. I just think the former is more likely to produce success.
 
am_yisrael_chai

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Most of what Poch says seems to the toe the party line and particularly post injuries you can understand why it makes sense for him to say he doesn't want anyone as that would be self-harming in terms of quoted prices. However, every so often he has an outburst that suggests he is far more ambitious than the owners and wants genuine quality additions that he isn't being given. His limited use of academy players is contrary to his statements around using them and again suggests that this is just the party line to avoid any pressure to make acquisitions, especially acquisitions of second/third/fourth/fifth choices.
 
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