ITK Discussion The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 3rd January

NickHSpurs · Jan 7, 2019

Don't expect to see much action this month guys:

Pochettino: “[Signings] is not depending on if some players are going to leave. It’s more about finding the right players that's going to fit for us, not only on the football side but…in all areas. Summer is difficult but winter is worse. I don’t expect to add players.”

Ruffinthepuffin · Jan 7, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
Don't expect to see much action this month guys:

Pochettino: “[Signings] is not depending on if some players are going to leave. It’s more about finding the right players that's going to fit for us, not only on the football side but…in all areas. Summer is difficult but winter is worse. I don’t expect to add players.”

So even if players leave we aren’t likely to sign anyone even though we’re really struggling in CM. Pretty disheartening if I’m honest.

jurgen · Jan 7, 2019

NickHSpurs said:
Don't expect to see much action this month guys:

Pochettino: “[Signings] is not depending on if some players are going to leave. It’s more about finding the right players that's going to fit for us, not only on the football side but…in all areas. Summer is difficult but winter is worse. I don’t expect to add players.”

Fitting by costing nothing or bugger all in other words.

BringBack_leGin · Jan 7, 2019

Cannot wait until 01 February...

rawhide · Jan 7, 2019

Indisguise said:
Ah, the dear old status quo. Don't you just love it?

Rockin’ All over the world?

Or

Down, down, deeper and down?

Trix · Jan 7, 2019

jurgen said:
Fitting by costing nothing or bugger all in other words.

We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

mil1lion · Jan 7, 2019

Ruffinthepuffin said:
So even if players leave we aren’t likely to sign anyone even though we’re really struggling in CM. Pretty disheartening if I’m honest.

I think the point is that Dier, Dembele and Wanyama are injured and once they're back it's a matter of whether we can improve on them

wrd · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

Aslong as it's a case of us simply being turned down for the likes of Madrid and Barca and not Levy trying to cut corners then I think Poch will be happy, sooner or later this way of thinking will be solved and my opinion is we need the players we've got now to elevate us as a prospect by winning something to make us more appealing.

Johnny J · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

Thanks for the info.

Not questioning it at all, but the problem with this approach is that we quite clearly can't get the very top-end players at the moment, probably for a combination of financial and footballing reasons.

crokey · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

I completely agree with Poch. Using examples of recent signings there is around 3 tiers of players we have signed over the last 5/10 years.

The Eriksen tier, the Wanyama tier and the N'Koudou tier. Nobody wants to see us sign another N'Koudou. It seems like some fans want us to chase the Eriksen tier and then if unavailable we can get someone from the Wanyama tier as competition.

Looks like Poch wants an Eriksen or nothing, and I'm gladly happy to wait.

dtxspurs · Jan 7, 2019

crokey said:
I completely agree with Poch. Using examples of recent signings there is around 3 tiers of players we have signed over the last 5/10 years.

The Eriksen tier, the Wanyama tier and the N'Koudou tier. Nobody wants to see us sign another N'Koudou. It seems like some fans want us to chase the Eriksen tier and then if unavailable we can get someone from the Wanyama tier as competition.

Looks like Poch wants an Eriksen or nothing, and I'm gladly happy to wait.

How long can we afford to wait is the issue. As @Trix has said multiple times it is his opinion certain players would be more intrigued to renew their contracts should we show some ambition in the transfer market.

vicbob · Jan 7, 2019

I assume the tipping point in this thinking will be when we inevitably lose one of our key players (Toby or Eriksen (or both)). We simply could not continue to perform as we are without replacing them with a decent alternative. It won't be a case of we can just make do until the right player is available and wants to come to us (particularly in Eriksens case) as we will be without a reasonable replacement and be very light in numbers. Something will have to give, either Poch will have to set his sight accordingly and target achievable players, or the club will have to change its thinking and start paying agents etc inline with the other top clubs.

Either that or Poch will fuck of to Utd :cry:

Spurrific · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

That's cool - but then we also can't blame him when he goes to a club like United that will actually get him the players he wants.

Japhet · Jan 7, 2019

Sounds very much as if the ball is in Levy's court from what Trix has said. If we're not buying anyone I hope we don't lose anyone who has contributed in any way.

Nocando · Jan 7, 2019

crokey said:
I completely agree with Poch. Using examples of recent signings there is around 3 tiers of players we have signed over the last 5/10 years.

The Eriksen tier, the Wanyama tier and the N'Koudou tier. Nobody wants to see us sign another N'Koudou. It seems like some fans want us to chase the Eriksen tier and then if unavailable we can get someone from the Wanyama tier as competition.

Looks like Poch wants an Eriksen or nothing, and I'm gladly happy to wait.

I think Eriksens purchase wasn't too dissimilar to the Modric purchase in terms of where they were in their careers. Modric was what 22 and had played 100 games for his club and was making a name for himself internationally (inc a great game against England in the playoffs). Likewise Eriksens careers was similar in terms of stats and performed great against City in the Champions League. They were both seen as up and coming stars in a big way.

I don't know if there are any equivalent players at the moment and even if there were it seems theyve become a lot less obtainable. Is Ndombele in this same bracket? I don't think he is and yet i don't think we stand a chance. Whilst i can understand Pochs approach, We're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat, so i wouldn't pin your hopes on this happening again easily. If something crazy was to happen then we would have to smash all club transfer and salary records, which will have an impact on our existing players salaries and contracts.

So i suspect theres going to be a lot of disappointed people if they are expecting something big to happen. Were in a very difficult situation and Poch is in a no win situation with our transfers. I just hope he doesn't get frustrated by this position as it seems on the face of his comments that he isn't expecting much.

Cornpattbuck · Jan 7, 2019

Nocando said:
I think Eriksens purchase wasn't too dissimilar to the Modric purchase in terms of where they were in their careers. Modric was what 22 and had played 100 games for his club and was making a name for himself internationally (inc a great game against England in the playoffs). Likewise Eriksens careers was similar in terms of stats and performed great against City in the Champions League. They were both seen as up and coming stars in a big way.

I don't know if there are any equivalent players at the moment and even if there were it seems theyve become a lot less obtainable. Is Ndombele in this same bracket? I don't think he is and yet i don't think we stand a chance. Whilst i can understand Pochs approach, We're really going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat, so i wouldn't pin your hopes on this happening again easily. If something crazy was to happen then we would have to smash all club transfer and salary records, which will have an impact on our existing players salaries and contracts.

So i suspect theres going to be a lot of disappointed people if they are expecting something big to happen. Were in a very difficult situation and Poch is in a no win situation with our transfers. I just hope he doesn't get frustrated by this position as it seems on the face of his comments that he isn't expecting much.

You seem to be able to charge a lot more for potential at the moment than you could only a few years ago.

Timbo Tottenham · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

Thanks Trix. To me this sounds very much like what Rose said in his interview last year... Didn't the rest of squad call him the teachers pet when it cam to Poch? Sounds like he was voicing Poch's thoughts at the time and I seem to remember some ITK alluding to this...

nedley · Jan 7, 2019

Trix said:
We will pay for the right players the problem is finding players Poch wants that will come to us. Poch obviously only wants top end players now, and unfortunately they are converted by Europe's elite. He is adamant he doesn't want players just to fill a gap because we can't move them on when better becomes available. If we buy players he isn't convinced on we then get stick for not backing the manager. It will be his choice if we get no one, because the ones he wants are not obtainable. It is very AVB-esque in a way, but at least the club are backing him in the fact we won't go for other people's options instead.

So is Poch interested in the Son's and Sanchez's of this world or are we saying he's wanting the established elite?

I wonder who the ones we've bought that he wasn't convinced of?

Hercules · Jan 7, 2019

nedley said:
With all due respect to Hercules. N'Jie, N'koudou

So is Poch interested in the Son's and Sanchez's of this world or are we saying he's wanting the established elite?

I wonder who the ones we've bought that he wasn't convinced of?

Don’t want to compromise myself. Let’s just say, don’t blame that as the scouts faults. There is also a risk ratio analysis given on every recommendation.

Tyler24durden · Jan 7, 2019

Janssen, Llorente, Sissoko, Aurier, Moura; would be my thoughts as to who Poch wasn’t convinced by buying.

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