ITK Discussion The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 3rd January
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he is you know!
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No. I think all deals start with agreeing with players "agent", then going to club, despite what rules may say.
Westmorlandspur
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Approx 55m last season. The money has gone up this season . If we get past Dortmund prob looking towards 70m which Daniel could not have budgeted for when they started the stadium. Plus a very good chance of another good whack for next season. We will be very close to Arsenal and Liverpool turnovers by next season with the stadium open. Over 400m. Yes we will have debt to pay but we should compete with them.
People say Arsenal have paid off their stadium but last years books show debt just over 200m . They had 160m cash in the bank so net debt of 40m, but it’s not as if they are going to use that to pay it off.
Saoirse
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True. But he also couldn't have budgeted for Brexit, the pound tanking just as we needed to import materials and employ foreign labourers, and the apparent collapse of the naming rights market.
Glad to hear we at least tried!
Trix
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Don't know how current JJ's info is(as in we have tried recently and been knocked back again) but both De Jong and Pulisic turned us down in the Summer. Neither was a wages issue at that point from what I was told.
Metalhead
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We might even get a nice letter from one or two, thanking us for our interest.
hellava_tough
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I'm afraid to say that is one of the biggest myths on this site; there really aren't many on here who want us to sign any old player.
It's a straw-man argument used to disguise the fact we're failing to identify and (crucially) sign players who would improve our squad.
Doing this isn't easy. There are plenty of hurdles to overcome to achieve this. But that's the situation we're; us and every other professional football team across Europe.
We either find a way to constantly improve the squad we have, or we will continue to fall short; beaten by the clubs who did find a way to improve their squads.
So all of this "at least we're targeting top quality players and prospects" is irrelevant unless we see positive results in the transfer market AND on the pitch.
Paolo10
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We 'try' every window, it's the succeeding that's the problem.
If be absolutely amazed if we sign anyone in January...IMO if we do, it'll be dependant on sales and even then it's doubtful we'll be getting anyone in that would make a difference for the current season.
Best I think is signing someone whose contract is running out soon/announcing something for next season...but that's wildly optimistic.
If be absolutely amazed if we sign anyone in January...IMO if we do, it'll be dependant on sales and even then it's doubtful we'll be getting anyone in that would make a difference for the current season.
Best I think is signing someone whose contract is running out soon/announcing something for next season...but that's wildly optimistic.
RichieS
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An Arnesen, Commoli or Baldini, perchance? Levy has always been in favour, Poche not so much.
OpenHeartZoo
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I don’t think we’re working in the same climate we were a few years back though. The insane transfer fees in the game are forcing even the worlds biggest clubs to snap up talent at younger and younger ages. You have Real Madrid splashing 50m+ on kids straight out of South America because they know if another European club takes that punt then they could be worth 250m within a year.
Likewise players seem to want to secure that move to a super club at a younger age. Whereas a few years back (whether we like the idea or not) we would have been seen as a nice stepping stone to super clubs, its now not so simple. We’re strong enough now financially that Man Utd would wince at the fees required to get our top players, whereas less than a decade ago they would happily let players develop at clubs like ours and then come and pick them off in their peak years.
The only way around this for players is to run their contract down (see Eriksen and Toby unfortunately), so the real top, top 21 year olds know they are more than likely gonna have to play here until they’re 26 before getting a dream move. If the interest is already there from the top clubs they just aren’t gonna do it.
In short it all leads to the same old point - we need to beat the big boys to these players before they’ve proven themselves. Increasingly difficult to do.
doctor stefan Freud
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With news breaking of these knock backs, it’s imperative we turn our attention to getable players like Jack Grealish
Understandable that we were turned down by De Jong. As others have said, he will go to a super club like Barca. Pulisic is a little stranger and possibly he sees us as being a step across rather than up. As much as I hate them, Chelscum have won a quite a few trophies over the past few years whereas we haven't.
I think we just need to act a bit quicker in the market with the younger more talented players overseas and maybe target those which don't have as high a profile. Son and Sanchez are good players and I think we moved quickly to secure them without it getting out till far advanced in the negotiations.
Players like De Jong and Pulisic have been well known talents for a couple of years and clubs higher up the food chain have probably been in their/agents ear for a long time. There are loads of players out there we can target who maybe aren't as well known e.g. Havertz, Berge, Barella, Benassi, Nicolas Pepe etc who might also develop into superstars. These are the ones we need to be going after, and quickly, before it's too late.
I think we just need to act a bit quicker in the market with the younger more talented players overseas and maybe target those which don't have as high a profile. Son and Sanchez are good players and I think we moved quickly to secure them without it getting out till far advanced in the negotiations.
Players like De Jong and Pulisic have been well known talents for a couple of years and clubs higher up the food chain have probably been in their/agents ear for a long time. There are loads of players out there we can target who maybe aren't as well known e.g. Havertz, Berge, Barella, Benassi, Nicolas Pepe etc who might also develop into superstars. These are the ones we need to be going after, and quickly, before it's too late.
jurgen
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Absolutely, it's the same old argument.
Do we really go from chasing Pulisic and De Jong and not getting near, to trying to scab Jack Grealish on a bankruptcy foreclosure (which didn't happen) as a sporting strategy?
Many people were relieved we didn't waste our money on Grealish while also being mystified we could not identify nor buy anyone else. It's not as black and white as the 'sons' make out.
aliyid
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It's an interesting challenge of how we can change the external perception of our club.
If we take off our Spurs tinted glasses and look at the club from an outside perspective we're probably seen as the 5th/6th best option in England or the English version of Sevilla / Valencia / Roma / Wolfsburg rather than the English Atletico / Dortmund / Napoli (we're a long way from being viewed as Madrid / Barca / Juve / Bayern)
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This isn't true though, we heard on TDD that we nixed two deals and decided to sign no one.
Hercules
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Sadly we have to accept the fact, that though we are competing in CL regularly, and been in top four a few years. We just are not the preferred of our preferred targets, for various reasons.
As Poch says, ‘we are competing in a different way’. A big test for both him and the club. Our scouting is fine. To put a balance in this, VJ was strictly Poch’s choice. He needs to also be a bit more decisive of some of the recommendations given to him (within our budget).
Let us grit our teeth, as I personally believe that there are variables in the challenges ahead of us.
As Poch says, ‘we are competing in a different way’. A big test for both him and the club. Our scouting is fine. To put a balance in this, VJ was strictly Poch’s choice. He needs to also be a bit more decisive of some of the recommendations given to him (within our budget).
Let us grit our teeth, as I personally believe that there are variables in the challenges ahead of us.
wrd
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It's pretty disappointing to hear that we were turned down, I know De Jong is going for Barca but I feel like the agents are considering what top clubs are best for their players and they still don't see us in that light. I'm a little sad, I feel like we dressed all nice for the dance and still got called an ugly ****. Admittedly I feel bad for Levy because I was fucked off with his inability in the summer but not much he can do when these players don't fancy us. I'd say Jan is pointless and I'd feed this information to the players so they can prove a point in the Champions League and hopefully combined with our new Stadium we start turning some heads.
Teemu
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Agreed. If one of our young stars (e.g. Alli) made a big-money move to Real, Madrid or Bayern, we could probably understand it, but would be baffled if he went to, say, Napoli or Sevilla. It's the same the other way round - from a completely neutral point of view I can accept the perception that Chelsea are a more enticing option, even if results on the pitch and opportunities afforded to young players don't necessarily reflect that.
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