Paolo10
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Read the last paragraph of #932 before you spout off.
The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread
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Read the last paragraph of #932 before you spout off.
EQP
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Would only add that Trippier excels in back 3/ wing back role so he does have that in his favor.
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For some, it is what will decide whether they go to heaven or hell in the afterlife.
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Guarantee he thinks all of us are Asian, too. American, Asian tourists who go to Wembley to watch the Hotspurs soccer players on the field and take pictures with their selfie sticks.
Paolo10
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With all due respect mattie, you've been on SC for a pretty long time and aren't as vocal as some of the fans I'm referencing presently. Edit: (Also your daughter is adorable there)
It's not just about nationality here btw. We disagree about full backs and some are more obsessive about beating their respective full back drums during the match threads...here are some opinions on the full backs last night.
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Back to the thread, as said before I don't think KWP is ready, I feel he needs a loan (Championship to be guaranteed any playing time IMO and also to see if he can handle the physicality/toughen him up), he also needs to hit the gym and get stronger, a lot stronger and he needs games to improve.
We are 5 points off the top of the league and it's just turned November, IMO now is not his time...but I'm sure this is all spam.
It's not just about nationality here btw. We disagree about full backs and some are more obsessive about beating their respective full back drums during the match threads...here are some opinions on the full backs last night.
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Back to the thread, as said before I don't think KWP is ready, I feel he needs a loan (Championship to be guaranteed any playing time IMO and also to see if he can handle the physicality/toughen him up), he also needs to hit the gym and get stronger, a lot stronger and he needs games to improve.
We are 5 points off the top of the league and it's just turned November, IMO now is not his time...but I'm sure this is all spam.
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Not about nationality yet you managed to accuse a nationality of not knowing anything about the sport?
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New rule states you have to be a fan for 25 years if you aren't from the UK before you are allowed to post about fullbacks.
Paolo10
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You've 25k posts in 5 years, thanks for incessantly sharing your opinions. Your age does make sense though.
Also, you two are getting close to almost being worth ignoring tbh...I did say most of the more vocal fans and that it's not just about nationality, but whatever. You two are amongst the worst culprits, but again, just my opinion.
All the best, time to stick eachother on ignore if you can't have a debate without being triggered into just spamming for the sake of it.
Also, you two are getting close to almost being worth ignoring tbh...I did say most of the more vocal fans and that it's not just about nationality, but whatever. You two are amongst the worst culprits, but again, just my opinion.
All the best, time to stick eachother on ignore if you can't have a debate without being triggered into just spamming for the sake of it.
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Personally I have issues with the defensive side of Trips game. He can't deal with fast wingers at all. When playing a high line and supposed high press you need your backs to be quick. He's a hard working full back who works much better in a 5 at the back rather then a 4 and clearly has a good delivery. But for me he is not dynamic enough for us and yes, not fast enough. As for Aurier, is he perfect? No. He may not even be better. But he seems to have improved in the few games he has played this season and should be given a shot before being written off. What I can't understand is, so many fans laud Poch's ability to greatly improve players, especially full backs, both Rose and Walker dramatically improved, even Trips, under Poch's guidance. Yet despite that some fans have already written off Aurier after one season and want to sell him. It baffles me. He may not become the player we hoped he would be, but Walker didn't become one of the best RBs in Europe overnight. On top of that Aurier was always going to take a while as he has had to adjust to the PL. He may never get to that level and we may need to sell, but he has shown encouraging signs and I don't think Trips form has been the best of late. Personally I would like to see Aurier get some starts and see if he can develop into the player we all hope he can be.
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Send proof of your Spurs 'diaper' and your in ;-)Ah i see. Guess I missed that memo
Still has no bearing on me as im 26.
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I totally imagined you as 43Ah i see. Guess I missed that memo
Still has no bearing on me as im 26.
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dtxspurs
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We were having a perfectly pleasant debate until you started spouting nonsense about peoples nationalities.
edit: as a matter of fact you still haven't been able to find me a single team that plays a RB that is both as slow and as defensively suspect. Nor answered my question as to which RB in the league you prefer over Kyle Walker. Although I'm assuming I know your answer.
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Paolo10 - What's interesting about your post is that there is much to agree on, yet you go out and manage to alienate a broad class of individuals by assuming authority based on nationality. You are claiming an advantage not because of the quality of the argument but instead are trying to trivialize. As an American, i can tell you that we have more than our fair share of beginners when it comes to tactics and strategy but ignorance knows no national borders. I happened to be older but was fortunate to worship at the alter of Charles Hughes's Tactics and Teamwork. (one of the greatest simple books on football of all time). One of the most disappointing days in my life was seeing my first game at WHL in 2000 or 2001 against Leicester thinking i was going to the equivalent of Oxford (or Cambridge if you prefer) only to realize that there were quite a few people in the stands who didn't understand the game at a tactical level. Yes, there were some there who saw way more than i did and had a thing or two to teach. Some saw less while some seemed to be on peyote. But be clear, there are plenty of Americans who understand the game at a fairly high level because of the sheer number of Americans who were able to receive training at the feet of many nationalities who transplanted here back in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
On to your main point, "anyone that assigns blame for every point lost or goal conceded...." - you are right, however, it does seem that defenders and forwards should be judged differently because of the consequences of a mistake. forwards by the nature of their job should be judged by the number of successful attempts they get, not by the number of failures. Hence, Moura's mistakes aren't as critical as Trips because his responsibility is high risk, high reward. He needs to make more mistakes. he gets into places no other player on the team can get to creating chances we might not have had. Defenders on the other hand are paid not to make mistakes. can you assign the blame for a loss or win on the individual player? no. But the defender that tries to pass the ball across the back under pressure (Bentaleb, Kyle Walker) or takes a player on in the wrong part of the pitch without support is clearly responsible for lost points in the aggregate. it's just impossible to say how much.
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You could argue it controversial (I honestly don't mean to offend), but I'd say growing up somewhere where football is the main sport culturally and you've lived and breathed the sport gives a certain perspective that (in my opinion) is vastly different from some of the posters I'm on about.
I'd much rather someone argue their point that KWP is somehow ready for Premier League football eloquently enough without just rating posts as spam and constantly bleating the same opinions over and over again. A couple of games against Newcastle and Leicester (when we had injuries) honestly don't say much to me about him being anywhere near ready for our best side and that performance against a poor West Ham side has only highlighted why he's not ready for me.
My opinion on our full-backs is quite clear, its just the same blame and scapegoating over and over again I have issues with, especially when Trippier (and Davies) gets dogs abuse seemingly weekly...and I feel he brings so much more to the side than any of the other full-backs we have (I still think he's a better footballer than Kyle Walker will ever be) despite his 'lack' of pace. I'm vocal about it for a number of reasons. I'm not writing off KWP, but again...I think he should prove himself on loan somewhere after the window...and hit the gym.
When someone's not at it, it's "shit" this and "shit" that...when something happens that suits their mantras then it's non-stop...like the fullbacks the other night. It just seems to be the same very vocal posters.
There are people who will apologise constantly for certain players, assert blame as it suits their opinions (which are recycled again and again) and not appreciate the TEAM dynamic properly.
I'd much rather someone argue their point that KWP is somehow ready for Premier League football eloquently enough without just rating posts as spam and constantly bleating the same opinions over and over again. A couple of games against Newcastle and Leicester (when we had injuries) honestly don't say much to me about him being anywhere near ready for our best side and that performance against a poor West Ham side has only highlighted why he's not ready for me.
My opinion on our full-backs is quite clear, its just the same blame and scapegoating over and over again I have issues with, especially when Trippier (and Davies) gets dogs abuse seemingly weekly...and I feel he brings so much more to the side than any of the other full-backs we have (I still think he's a better footballer than Kyle Walker will ever be) despite his 'lack' of pace. I'm vocal about it for a number of reasons. I'm not writing off KWP, but again...I think he should prove himself on loan somewhere after the window...and hit the gym.
When someone's not at it, it's "shit" this and "shit" that...when something happens that suits their mantras then it's non-stop...like the fullbacks the other night. It just seems to be the same very vocal posters.
There are people who will apologise constantly for certain players, assert blame as it suits their opinions (which are recycled again and again) and not appreciate the TEAM dynamic properly.
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You’re the one who unnecessarily started trying to patronise people over how long they’d been a fan and then also bringing nationalities into it.
Like people have to be a fan for a certain period of time before they’re qualified to have an opinion on a position in the team - what absolute bollocks!
I don’t see how that’s debating, that’s just being personal.
And now you’re throwing toys outta pram and putting them on ignore... Lolz...
it's not that it is controversial. The problem is that it isn't accurate; you were trying to shut down the debate. Yes, what you wrote makes intuitive sense. Where the fallacy is that statistically, the quality of the opinions follow a bell curve. While one area which grew up with the sport may have an "average" that is shifted to the left of the other, that doesn't mean that the one opinion is more valid, only a tendency which you can't extrapolate from. I've been to places in developing nations where people grew up with the sport their entire lives and they are tactically naive. even in the developed nations you have people who become Gooners or Scousers which is proof positive that birthplace does not mean native intelligence.
the funny thing is that i agree with you that kwp is still not proven and that you made some credible points. However, writing something that others could take personally, whether meant or not, took away from your argument making your opinion less persuasive
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