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LexingtonSpurs · Aug 9, 2018

Ghost Hardware said:
It was over on the 17th of May.

It was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

barry · Aug 9, 2018

Saoirse said:
Looking back at our previous record in case my suspicions were unfounded. But I genuinely don't think we benefit much from signing squad players. Look at what we've managed the last three years - signings who weren't for the first XI or youth (<21):

Lucas
Aurier
Llorente
Gazzaniga
Sissoko
Jansenn
Wanyama
N'Koudou
Lopez
Son
N'Jie
Wimmer
Trippier

Son was an obvious success, Trippier too. Wanyama has severe fitness issues we may or may not have known about, and the jury is still out on Lucas. But the other nine? Varying between poor and atrotious. When we brought the likes of Mason and Bentaleb into the team from the academy, they certainly didn't do any worse than that lot - I'd argue they did better. Whereas now we're stuck with expensive players we don't want and nobody else wants either.

And then I look at a Grealish or a Gomes. They're alright, sure. Are they better than Onomah would be if he'd had a triple-figure number of first team appearances? I doubt it. If we're going to refuse to pay silly bucks for them and give Skipp, Amos, Oakley-Boothe a chance instead, I frankly am all for it.

No one's defending this shit. We want someone who'll pay the money and bring in good players. This is asking a lot but maybe even before pre-season

tommyt · Aug 9, 2018

I know it's over,
It never really began,
But in my heart,
It was so real.

m*****73 · Aug 9, 2018

Saoirse said:
Since we improved under Poch people's expectations of us around here and their idea of our stature in the game have gotten absolutely ridiculous. We are not a Man Utd failing to challenge, we're an Everton doing extremely well to be anywhere close.

Yes we've got a proud history - but that frankly has little influence on where we stand now.

No, it isn't Glory Glory, To Dare is To Do.

Can't believe that I'm reading that from a Spurs 'supporter'.

Maybe the history of this club and what it stands for doesn't mean anything to you. If that's the case then you are better off going to Crystal Palace instead...

Guntz · Aug 9, 2018

Saoirse said:
And then I look at a Grealish or a Gomes. They're alright, sure. Are they better than Onomah would be if he'd had a triple-figure number of first team appearances? I doubt it. If we're going to refuse to pay silly bucks for them and give Skipp, Amos, Oakley-Boothe a chance instead, I frankly am all for it.

What is the obsession with him by some on here :LOL:

- he has literally done nothing to prove he is ready for the step up to compete in our midfield.

No other club in the top 6 would rely on their youth players for a season. Youth players are supposed to be integrated slowly into the team, supplemented by quality additions. Not every youth player will turn out like Dele, and it could be a harsh baptism of fire for them, if things don't go to plan.

George94 · Aug 9, 2018

I'd give it 30-40 minutes until we officially hear from Herc that we're not going to be signing anyone

Aleks · Aug 9, 2018

Real_madyidd said:
They can do what they want. Why have you made this "one" player thing? It's just an arbitrary number.

Because we haven’t signed at least one player and I along with numerous other fans are fuming. This is embarrassing, I wouldn’t even want to come face to face with any of my mates now.

At least taking a punt on someone, with A chance of the player improving and proving us wrong is better than no one.

How do they expect us to want to spend money if we don’t see it being invested into the team?

yawa · Aug 9, 2018

Tbh Levy has played a stormer. Give it a few weeks and all focus will be on the stadium and people will have moved attention away from us not signing anyone.

crokey · Aug 9, 2018

Saoirse said:
Looking back at our previous record in case my suspicions were unfounded. But I genuinely don't think we benefit much from signing squad players. Look at what we've managed the last three years - signings who weren't for the first XI or youth (<21):

Lucas
Aurier
Llorente
Gazzaniga
Sissoko
Jansenn
Wanyama
N'Koudou
Lopez
Son
N'Jie
Wimmer
Trippier

Son was an obvious success, Trippier too. Wanyama has severe fitness issues we may or may not have known about, and the jury is still out on Lucas. But the other nine? Varying between poor and atrotious. When we brought the likes of Mason and Bentaleb into the team from the academy, they certainly didn't do any worse than that lot - I'd argue they did better. Whereas now we're stuck with expensive players we don't want and nobody else wants either.

And then I look at a Grealish or a Gomes. They're alright, sure. Are they better than Onomah would be if he'd had a triple-figure number of first team appearances? I doubt it. If we're going to refuse to pay silly bucks for them and give Skipp, Amos, Oakley-Boothe a chance instead, I frankly am all for it.

This isn't a very fair argument. You've just (mostly) listed all the players who didn't make the cut for first 11 and left out the ones who did (n)

SpartanSpur · Aug 9, 2018

WiganSpur said:
Can't wait till the football starts. Hopefully a win on Saturday to take our minds off this bollocks.

A man of the match performance from Lucas on Saturday would be quite the tonic.

Dougal · Aug 9, 2018

It’s got to the point where I want Donald Trump to tweet something stupid to distract the world.

Gollorius · Aug 9, 2018

To dare is too dear

Saoirse · Aug 9, 2018

barry said:
No one's defending this shit. We want someone who'll pay the money and bring in good players. This is asking a lot but maybe even before pre-season

Frankly yes, it is asking a lot. To bring in players good enough for a side among the top 10 in the world right now, on our resources, is not really possible - anyone clearly good enough for such a role will be offered double the wages somewhere else.

Ghost Hardware · Aug 9, 2018

Dougal said:
Not when there’s still hope to be killed.

I think even the most optimistic have given up on that my friend. Its not that the glass is empty, its that its smashed on the floor and currently being trampled by a heard of elephants carrying Levy to Odbins for a celebratory bottle of plonk.

Mr Pink · Aug 9, 2018

All over to the Toby Thread lol

Oh jesus

tiger666 · Aug 9, 2018

Aleks said:
At least taking a punt on someone, with A chance of the player improving and proving us wrong is better than no one.

Nah. That's how we've ended up with deadwood to shift. It sounds like you just want any signing regardless of quality.

Mr Pink · Aug 9, 2018

The one last we glimmer of hope, to save our window, keeping Toby...

And Danny boy just slides it back in...

barry · Aug 9, 2018

Saoirse said:
Frankly yes, it is asking a lot. To bring in players good enough for a side among the top 10 in the world right now, on our resources, is not really possible - anyone clearly good enough for such a role will be offered double the wages somewhere else.

Don't fall for the propaganda. It is we won't pay.

Saoirse · Aug 9, 2018

mquinn73 said:
Can't believe that I'm reading that from a Spurs 'supporter'.

Maybe the history of this club and what it stands for doesn't mean anything to you. If that's the case then you are better off going to Crystal Palace instead...

Of course it matters. I love our history. But you aren't a very good historian if you only look at the nice bits. You cannot ignore the fact that we're operating in utterly alien conditions now to back in the Glory Glory days, the fact that for a long time we were not very good and that impacts us now, the fact that we've been close to relegation and devastation when we've ignored the facts, the fact that other clubs who have tried to force the issue have gone backwards, not forwards. It's about being realistic. The fact we won the double in 1961 is a massive point of pride for us - it makes absolutely zero difference to what we can and can't do in a transfer windows in 2018.

USAYID · Aug 9, 2018

sausage said:
Correction - he doesn't want signings for the sake of signings.

He might have wanted Zaha or Martial, but it's clear that they don't want to strengthen us by selling them. Plan B is something no one has wanted based on discussion.

Who wants another Sissoko?

Why does it have to be another Sissoko if it's not Zaha or Martial? Why can't it be someone else who can actually play and costs less - maybe actually scout in countries other than England maybe?

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