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SpursDave88

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People can pretend it's not true, but selling Water to City has contributed to them currently running away with the league as things stand. If we want to keep being also-rans then for sure, keep selling our players to rival clubs.
 
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dontcallme

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People can pretend it's not true, but selling Water to City has contributed to them currently running away with the league as things stand. If we want to keep being also-rans than for sure, keep selling our players to rival clubs.

"Keep selling?"

Walker is the first we've sold to a rival since Berbatov which was 9years ago and at the time Utd were not our rivals.

I wish fans would stop acting like us selling our top stars to rivals is a regular thing.

If Rose is that desperate to leave then at some point we'll need to sell. If he doesn't want to go abroad then chances are it'll be to a domestic rival.

The fact Levy negotiates such a high fee stops this from being a regular occurence.
 

dagraham

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If we do sell Rose (which let's face it has seemed on the cards since his outburst), then like everyone I don't want him sold to Utd. If he's a disruptive influence though and there is no interest from abroad is does make things difficult.

What we absolutely mustn't do though is sell him without first getting a replacement. If we can get Sessegnon then it will probably make sense to sell him given the circumstances.
 

SpursDave88

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"Keep selling?"

Walker is the first we've sold to a rival since Berbatov which was 9years ago and at the time Utd were not our rivals.

I wish fans would stop acting like us selling our top stars to rivals is a regular thing.

If Rose is that desperate to leave then at some point we'll need to sell. If he doesn't want to go abroad then chances are it'll be to a domestic rival.

The fact Levy negotiates such a high fee stops this from being a regular occurence.

Selling Berbatov to United was not really selling to a rival, I'm talking about now, where for the first time in my life we had a squad that might actually be able to win something.

We had probably missed our window for winning a league title after last season, but having finished second in the league, we have had a first team player tapped up, and decided to give City a leg up to make sure we didn't win it this year either.

Now we have decided it's been a bit too long since United last won a league title, so we are giving them what they need for their challenge next year.

After that I expect Dele will look to leave if he is playing well...as players with potential want to win things.

If you look at teams that compete for the title, they look at their weaknesses and try and fill those gaps. In contrast, we consistently fail to do so, and to compound it, we help our rivals do it.
 

Colonel Dax

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That's fair enough, but how many teams worldwide can compete in terms of wages and now prestige with ManU, ManC and Chelsea? We sold Modric to Real, but if they, Barca or PSG aren't interested then what? Juve and Bayern don't pay the same in either wages or fee, let alone the second tier so what do we do?

Also, if we want to recruit the likes of Davinson Sanchez would we be able to if we were known as the sort of club who put you in the reserves rather than let you go?

We need to be willing to sell only for ridiculous money AND have a replacement ready but there is a reason that the titles and prestige goes to the bigger clubs - they hoover up all of the talent, this is modern football and it's why we are massively overachieving.

This also worries me. We sold Walker and replaced him with Aurier who although has plenty of potential currently is hugely inferior to Walker. Now with the potential sale of Rose people are suggesting we replace him with the injury prone Luke Shaw, again a massive downgrade. We go backwards whilst improving our rivals.

You make a good point about sticking players in the reserves but I wouldn't advocate this course of action. It's up to Poch, the management staff and the board to manage disruptive players in more creative ways. The point is that although eventually the player may be sold it should be on on our terms. Make it clear to Rose or any other player that kicking up a fuss will not work. Stamping their feet won't get them their preferred move. Yes probably Rose will be sold eventually but somehow we have to ensure this doesn't become a habit thereby cementing a reputation that we're a selling club. Make it as difficult as possible for other clubs to cherry pick our better players.
 

Legacy

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"Keep selling?"
If Rose is that desperate to leave then at some point we'll need to sell. If he doesn't want to go abroad then chances are it'll be to a domestic rival.

The fact Levy negotiates such a high fee stops this from being a regular occurence.
If Rose is desperate to leave, he can go abroad.

If he doesn't want to go abroad, he can shut the fuck up, man the fuck up, honour his contract and do his fucking job.
 

Colonel Dax

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I don’t think it’s that cut and dried. You have to put every situation in context. Selling an aging and unhappy Walker for more than he’s worth to City, basically in exchange for Sanchez & Aurier, was a brilliant piece of business. Selling an aging and unhappy Rose for more than he’s worth and then hypothetically bringing in players like Sessegnon & Gortetzka, would also be a brilliant piece of business. It all depends on the player and the situation. Nobody is suggesting we sell Kane, Alli, Eriksen, to them.

Well, depends how you look at it. I'm not sure if buying Sanchez was dependent on selling Walker.

In terms of like for like positions, for me, Walker out and Aurier in is a step backwards currently. And we've strengthened a rival.

Selling Rose to Utd will definitely strengthen them and I'm not confident we'll be able to buy a decent ready made replacement. Sessegnon and Goretzka are hypotheticals at this point.

You're right that nobody is suggesting we sell Kane, Alli or Eriksen at the moment but I have a feeling next summer when another player's head is turned I'll see the same arguments about how we cannot keep a disruptive player and that we have to offload them at the earliest opportunity.
 

jurgen

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Can people stop saying we should get Martial (or even try for Rashford!) in exchange for Rose. It's not going to happen because there is no way Utd would stand for significantly strengthening a rival with one of those players.
 

philip

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Can people stop saying we should get Martial (or even try for Rashford!) in exchange for Rose. It's not going to happen because there is no way Utd would stand for significantly strengthening a rival with one of those players.
If they that desperate for Rose, we can insist on Martial.

I'd happily pay extra for Martial on top. He's exactly what we need.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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LOL @ Spurs Media Spin Factory. "Rose is around Pohcettino's house dining all the time, they love each other" obviously means "Rose is behaving like shit head, nothing is forgiven in either direction and we can't wait to sell him".
 

jurgen

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If they that desperate for Rose, we can insist on Martial.

I'd happily pay extra for Martial on top. He's exactly what we need.

Do you believe Martial will be desperate enough to leave for us in January that he'd kick up a huge stink, and even then would that give our insistence any traction with a super rich club?

Would Utd want to get rid of a very useful player from their squad, when they don't need the money and are potentially fighting for a number of cups?

Would we pay the extra 10's of millions that Martial would be valued at over and above what Rose will be worth?

Don't get me wrong, he'd be perfect for us, but it will not happen. When Rose goes, I'm sure we'll get good money for him, but Utd and Rose will feel they got the best deal, just like Walker and City have done.
 

SpursDave88

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Can people stop saying we should get Martial (or even try for Rashford!) in exchange for Rose. It's not going to happen because there is no way Utd would stand for significantly strengthening a rival with one of those players.

And there is the difference. United want to win things...we don't. Which I guess proves Danny Rose's point.
 

SpursDave88

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Yeah of course we don't want to win a trophy do we :facepalm:

lol all this self wallowing and reaction to a defeat is utterley hilarious.

We sell first team players to rivals and fill out our squad with dross like Llorente,n'koudou and Sissoko.

United have ibrahimovic, Rashford, Martial and Lukaku up front, we have Kane and Llorente.
 

Shadydan

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We sell first team players to rivals and fill out our squad with dross like Llorente,n'koudou and Sissoko.

United have ibrahimovic, Rashford, Martial and Lukaku up front, we have Kane and Llorente.

I wonder why that is, nothing to do with the fact that they can attract players with high wages maybe?

Like the way you've left out Son as to suit your argument as well.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Thing is, in my view, we have sufficient, recent experience with both approaches: forcing bad eggs to stay for the sake of it, and selling bad eggs for the greater good. I think that when we forced players to stay, it didn't really benefit the club in any way. When we started simply getting rid of players, I think the club grew and prospered. It won't always be popular, but letting players rot isn't popular either. And what will the word on the street be about Tottenham if we do? "Don't go there, they'll end your career if you are slightly unhappy with your lunch options". It's the lessor of two evils, and for me, that is simply selling off drama-queens.
 
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