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  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Toby

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Verts

    Votes: 74 21.4%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Dier

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 10 2.9%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 55 15.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Kane

    Votes: 183 52.9%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • Total voters
    346

guiltyparty

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Not a polished performance but I'd take any win against these ****s, yes we almost undid our good work but in these emotive matches with bullets flying everywhere it happens. We got the win that eluded us last two seasons, I'm happy.

Lloris was fine, couldn't do anything about the goals.

Aurier was targeting all game and didn't have a good day at the office. Rightly sent off and positioning let him down. I like him but let's be honest, we'd be slaughtering Tripp for the same performance.

Alderweireld was calm and mopped everything up well.

Sanchez had some great moment and some poor. Lucky not to give away a penalty. Pretty strong.

Vertonghen was very good, great use of the ball, key involvement with the second goal, some strong defending under pressure.

Davies was undistirbed defensively, decent in attack and showed some nice skill.

Dier going too deep left too much space between defence and attack, but he made some good challenges and fairly positionally disciplined.

Sissoko was fine, brought the ball forward well, some good ball retention too under pressure but no cutting edge.

Dele was involved in both first half goals, he was always popping up in threatening areas, he fought off the ball, but he also lost the ball sloppily, spurned a few opportunities and overdid it at times. Mixed bag with end product, any chance he's a talented 21 year old?

Eriksen was man of the match, he scored a cool goal, was the maestro in the build up to both the others and showed some great skill and awareness. Criminally underrated.

Kane was Kane, all fight, all heart, two great finishes and was a leader up until he came off. Sums him up that I just expect this from him.

Winks looked the best he has in a while, some nice touches and good fight.

Trippier filled a hole, game was a mess by then.

Llorente did well, some great hold up play, bullied them a bit and took some pressure off our defence.

At what point is Eriksen no longer under rated? He's quite rightly who everyone always bangs on about, week in week out, and is being touted for Barca. Not sure he's flying under the radar anymore
 

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Got to disagree with the praise for Sissoko; I thought he was shite.

The pattern I noticed is that he'd regularly do something to make me think he'd improved, something good like winning us the ball - and then almost invariably neutralise it, waste his good work, by running straight into a defender and giving it away again or similar.

Sounds like Alli bar the goal. Thank Christ he scores regularly but when do we stop pretending he's not a second striker?
 

Zeuz

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Give the guy a break he did some good things today and is improving game by game.... even the best players get caught out with the movement of great box players like Hernandez
I'm not the only one that thought he had his usual below standard game.
 

parj

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Jul 27, 2003
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No joke, I really think he made something out of nothing to waste time.
A bit of that cheeky Spanish play acting, I like it, very much!
He did wonder what the fcuk he doing leading in with his arm a few times... That could explain it.
 

glospur

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Lloris - 6: couple of good saves and decent kicking. couldnt do anything about the goals.

Aurier - 7: before the red, but 5 because of it.

Alderweireld - 5: Though he was poor today. Some uncharacteristically sloppy passing combines with average defending.

Sanchez - 6: OK without having any standout good or bad moments. Arguably lucky to not give away a pen at the death

Vertonghen 8: Our best defender for the last 12 months, and again today.

Davies - 6: Didn't really do anything wrong, but not quite up to the high standard he's set this season.

Dier - 6: I dunno, he was there I guess. Too often Sissoko would leave him to be completely outnumbered.

Sissoko - 6: See above. Left Dier to be completely over run at times and lost his man for the first goal. Still would prefer Winks over him in there, as Sissoko gives us absolutely 0 technique or passing penetration.

Eriksen: 7: Not outstanding, but good nonetheless. That's pretty much become his baseline game with the regular world class performance thrown in for good measure.

Dele - 6: Oddly looks low on confidence which is unlike him. Too slow to get shots off and his touch let him down. Should have had a stonewall pen though. Don't know how the ref missed that.

Kane - 9: Goals.
 

Mr Pink

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Close call between Eriksen and Kane, I think maybe Eriksen edges it. His pass for the first goal was absolutely crucial and the first goal is always massive.

Sissoko did well, gradually getting better.

Let's be honest we should of battered them. Had Alli been at it we could of scored a cricket score.

Needless by Aurier but I thought he played well up until that point.

Scrappy opening 20 minutes but after that we were quality imo.

Scoreline flattered them massively and there was very little in those penalty claims.

Vertonghen was also very good, marauding up the left flank several times and involved for the second.

Hopefully we kick on next week.
 

SonicSarr

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I gave it to Verts, mentions for Kane and Eriksen, and yes, Alli was very frustrating. Poch's subs were also a negative but we got away with it...just about.
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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I swear the Spurs Coaching staff must come on here and absolutely piss themselves at some of our fans.

"Hey Poch - they're saying Dele needs to be dropped"

"They want me to drop a kid who has had more score involvements at 21 than Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham combined?"

"Lulz"

"What did he do wrong today"

"Only assisted two goals"

"That's good isn't it?"

"Yeah but he bumbled and fumbled and should have scored a hatrick and he's low on confidence and had his head turned by super agents"

"ROFLCOPTER"

Dele had some poor moments; some poor touches. But he ran his heart out; got into dangerous positions; provided an outlet when needed and was always dangerous on the counter. He got two assists and should have had a pen.

He's not that bad really.
 

SixtyFour

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Kane and Verts excellent, Davies as per usual better than his general credit-rating. Love the way he pops up at centre forward at least once a game when- and only when- his primary defensive duties allow.

But MOM, increasingly MO every M was Eriksen. Watch and enjoy. A great player on great form.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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That was a real curates egg of a game, selection wise, tactically and in how it unfolded.

Our palpable problems remain in central midfield. West Ham are a mess, and though we are clearly the more talented and better coached side, that was a game that never felt very convincing from us, we were edging the game but it never felt rhythmic or very cohesive. And that's largely because of the selections and application Poch is making.

I remain very unimpressed with Poch's preference for Sissoko in one of the pivoting "8" roles ahead of the infinitely more capable Winks. I just don't get it. The only real advantage Sissoko holds over Winks is his physique. But Sissoko's isn't even that great defensively, he much prefers going forwards, but he lacks the touch, technique or finesse to be very effective going forwards. He's effectively a rhinoceros in a tutu. And I know some people might pay to watch that, I'm just not one of them.

The other compromise is dropping Eriksen into the other "8" role on the other side of Dier. With Alli's fucking bumbling, Kane's kind of robust but erratic hold up play, there is now no-one to provide the composure in the final third, and to be honest, Eriksen is beacon of composure in a sea of bumbly chaos a lot of the time, but I don't think he's great at doing some of the nitty gritty that a deeper CM sometimes needs when things get tetchy and inches are being scrapped over in the middle third.

So what are getting is all a bit Heath Robinson. We don't seem to have full control of games, in terms of tempo or tone, from the middle of the pitch. We are also sacrificing composure and craft in the final third. We are exposing our defenders a little more, particularly our full backs, and Aurier was caught with his pants down a few times today, and we were very fortunate not to concede at 0-0 a couple of times.

The decision not to give Onomah games last year, minutes at the end of games last year, games in midfield in pre season and then pack him off on loan is looking increasingly short sighted now we have Wanyama unavailable and Dembele with the inevitable chronic problems.

The other major issue is the continual selection of a woefully erratic Alli. This isn't a new thing, but instead of improving, it's getting worse. And it's not like people can claim that he gets the nod because, despite all the lazy, careless crap he produces, because Son has proven equally productive. Now I'm not saying Son should be automatically ahead of Alli in the pecking order, but if Poch was the meritocratic altruist we are led to believe, then Alli's performances deserve for him to have been dropped for Son before now. And not doing so is not doing either player any favours. Son must be thinking "what's the point, if he can be this shit, and still get picked ahead of me every week". And Alli must be thinking he can keep producing this shite because he gets picked anyway. Some of his wastage today was scandalous. And it could be mitigated if, like Lamela say, even on an erratic day, he charged around tenaciously working for the team, but his pressing is lethargic and hap hazard much of the time. The boy needs a really good kick up the arse.

I understand why Poch went for Aurier today, but I really don't understand all the praise he was getting in the match thread. It was a typical case of people either making up their minds already, without really having seen enough of him to form a good opinion, or people getting seduced by a player who's tenacious and has a trick or two. Don't misunderstand me, there's more to Aurier than that, he's got some good all round qualities, but I said before, he's also got some issues, he's not perfect, and he definitely wasn't great today. He did a couple of good things. But he also did some poor things, got caught out a few times, sold himself for the Arnautovic chance, nearly gave away a couple of pens, and didn't actually produce much going forward. There are better things to come from him, he is a competitor with ability, but don't pretend you are seeing something great before you do.

On the plus side, I do like this system that Poch has adopted, it's just a shame that he's not quite as brave or meritocratic as he could be.

Audere est Fucker Poch, Andere est Fucker...

Individual

Lloris - OK

Aurier - A real mixed bag. Got caught out of position several times, dived in recklessly a few times, allowing Arnautovic to get away, nearly gave away two pens, but also showed he is an energetic, tenacious competitor, with decent technique.

TA/DS/JV - Our three musketeers were all pretty decent, Vertonghen continues to be the star off the three, playing a hand in the second goal.

Davies - Another decent game and again, nice to see him getting into to forward areas.

Dier - Another game where there were times when he was left a bit exposed by having Sissoko and Eriksen either side, and he's not the dynamic hunter gatherer that Wanyama is in those circumstances, he tends to just take 3 steps backwards and dig a hole. He was Ok, but he'd be a lot better with a couple of proper cm/8's either side.

Sissoko - I don't get the praise some were giving him. OK, he didn't stink the place out, but is that really good enough for a team at our level ? His technique is awful, he's poor under pressure in cm areas, he doesn't see enough of the ball, doesn't want it under pressure, which along with Dier just gives us very poor options when playing out. Going forward he lacks any finesse (and one stage he overhit a pass by about 40 yards) or vision, and at best is lucky if he just manages to deliver the obvious.

Eriksen - This was probably the worst game he's had for a while, but still managed to contribute some important stuff, including a nice finish, a lovely ball for the first and a clever part in the second. I thought there were times his lack of tenacity compromised us in midfield, and we really missed having him in the final third more. Didn't see anywhere near as much ball as he usually does. How the fuck he gets subbed before Alli is anyone's guess though.

Alli - Look, we all know what the kid's MO is by now. Being able to produce an assist or a goal is negated when your laziness with and without the ball is also helping the opposition make goals and assists. It cost us against Chelsea and it nearly cost us several times today, great positions spunked away through poor touch or poor decisions. I even thought his easy pass for Kane's goal was nearly overhit. And he's got to work harder without the ball on days like this to at least mitigate. Needs to be dropped next couple of games, in Son we have a player who can also produce "moments" at a similar rate, and though is also erratic, he's at least a bit busier about it.

Kane - Both his chances looked easier than they were IMO, Alli's was fired in ahead of him and the keeper rebound goal required composure and technique, he took both superbly. Unlucky with his free kick. On the down side, he was offside too often and there were a couple of times he was a bit greedy.
 
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danielneeds

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That was a real curates egg of a game, selection wise, tactically and in how it unfolded.

Our palpable problems remain in central midfield. West Ham are a mess, and though we are clearly the more talented and better coached side, that was a game that never felt very convincing from us, we were edging the game but it never felt rhythmic or very cohesive. And that's largely because of the selections and application Poch is making.

I remain very unimpressed with Poch's preference for Sissoko in one of the pivoting "8" roles ahead of the infinitely more capable Winks. I just don't get it. The only real advantage Sissoko holds over Winks is his physique. But Sissoko's isn't even that great defensively, he much prefers going forwards, but he lacks the touch, technique or finesse to be very effective going forwards. He's effectively a rhinoceros in a tutu. And I know some people might pa to watch that, I'm just not one of them.

The other compromise is dropping Eriksen into the other "8" role on the other side of Dier. With Alli's fucking bumbling, Kane's kind of robust but erratic hold up play, there is now no-one to provide the composure in the final third, and to be honest, Eriksen is beacon of composure in a sea of bumbly chaos a lot of the time, but I don't think he's great at doing some of the nitty gritty that a deeper CM sometimes needs when things get tetchy and inches are being scrapped over in the middle third.

So what are getting is all a bit Heath Robinson. We don't seem to have full control of games, in terms of tempo or tone, from the middle of the pitch. We are also sacrificing composure and craft in the final third. We are exposing our defenders a little more, particularly our full backs, and Aurier was caught with his pants down a few times today, and we were very fortunate not to concede at 0-0 a couple of times.

The decision not to give Onomah games last year, minutes at the end of games last year, games in midfield in pre season and then pack him off on loan is looking increasingly short sighted now we have Wanyama unavailable and Dembele with the inevitable chronic problems.

The other major issue is the continual selection of a woefully erratic Alli. This isn't a new thing, but instead of improving, it's getting worse. And it's not like people can claim that he gets the nod because, despite all the lazy, careless crap he produces, because Son has proven equally productive. Now I'm not saying Son should be automatically ahead of Alli in the pecking order, but if Poch was the meritocratic altruist we are led to believe, then Alli's performances deserve for him to have been dropped for Son before now. And not doing so is not doing either player any favours. Son must be thinking "what's the point, if he can be this shit, and still get picked ahead of me every week". And Alli must be thinking he can keep producing this shite because he gets picked anyway. Some of his wastage today was scandalous. And it could be mitigated if, like Lamela say, even on an erratic day, he charged around tenaciously working for the team, but his pressing is lethargic and hap hazard much of the time. The boy needs a really good kick up the arse.

I understand why Poch went for Aurier today, but I really don't understand all the praise he was getting in the match thread. It was a typical case of people either making up their minds already, without really having seen enough of him to form a good opinion, or people getting seduced by a player who's tenacious and has a trick or two. Don't misunderstand me, there's more to Aurier than that, he's got some good all round qualities, but I said before, he's also got some issues, he's not perfect, and he definitely wasn't great today. He did a couple of good things. But he also did some poor things, got caught out a few times, sold himself for the Arnautovic chance, nearly gave away a couple of pens, and didn't actually produce much going forward. There are better things to come from him, he is a competitor with ability, but don't pretend you are seeing something great before you do.

On the plus side, I do like this system that Poch has adopted, it's just a shame that he's not quite as brave or meritocratic as he could be.

Audere est Fucker Poch, Andere est Fucker...

Individual

Lloris - OK

Aurier - A real mixed bag. Got caught out of position several times, dived in recklessly a few times, allowing Arnautovic to get away, nearly gave away two pens, but also showed he is an energetic, tenacious competitor, with decent technique.

TA/DS/JV - Our three musketeers were all pretty decent, Vertonghen continues to be the star off the three, playing a hand in the second goal.

Davies - Another decent game and again, nice to see him getting into to forward areas.

Dier - Another game where there were times when he was left a bit exposed by having Sissoko and Eriksen either side, and he's not the dynamic hunter gatherer that Wanyama is in those circumstances, he tends to just take 3 steps backwards and dig a hole. He was Ok, but he'd be a lot better with a couple of proper cm/8's either side.

Sissoko - I don't get the praise some were giving him. OK, he didn't stink the place out, but is that really good enough for a team at our level ? His technique is awful, he's poor under pressure in cm areas, he doesn't see enough of the ball, doesn't want it under pressure, which along with Dier just gives us very poor options when playing out. Going forward he lacks any finesse (and one stage he overhit a pass by about 40 yards) or vision, and at best is lucky if he just manages to deliver the obvious.

Eriksen - This was probably the worst game he's had for a while, but still managed to contribute some important stuff, including a nice finish, a lovely ball for the first and a clever part in the second. I thought there were times his lack of tenacity compromised us in midfield, and we really missed having him in the final third more. Didn't see anywhere near as much ball as he usually does. How the fuck he gets subbed before Alli is anyone's guess though.

Alli - Look, we all know what the kid's MO is by now. Being able to produce an assist or a goal is negated when your laziness with and without the ball is also helping the opposition make goals and assists. It cost us against Chelsea and it nearly cost us several times today, great positions spunked away through poor touch or poor decisions. I even thought his easy pass for Kane's goal was nearly overhit. And he's got to work harder without the ball on days like this to at least mitigate. Needs to be dropped next couple of games, in Son we have a player who can also produce "moments" at a similar rate, and though is also erratic, he's at least a bit busier about it.

Kane - Both his chances looked easier than they were IMO, Alli's was fired in ahead of him and the keeper rebound goal required composure and technique, he took both superbly. Unlucky with his free kick. On the down side, he was offside too often and there were a couple of times he was a bit greedy.
Can anyone who was at Wembley on Tuesday recall how much better balanced and linked up the midfield was with Winks starting?
 
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Marty

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Alli - Look, we all know what the kid's MO is by now. Being able to produce an assist or a goal is negated when your laziness with and without the ball is also helping the opposition make goals and assists. It cost us against Chelsea and it nearly cost us several times today, great positions spunked away through poor touch or poor decisions. I even thought his easy pass for Kane's goal was nearly overhit. And he's got to work harder without the ball on days like this to at least mitigate. Needs to be dropped next couple of games, in Son we have a player who can also produce "moments" at a similar rate, and though is also erratic, he's at least a bit busier about it.
That there is the clearest sign possible that you have a clear agenda against Alli. I wouldn't have picked him to start either, based on form Son definitely deserved the nod, but to question literally everything, even that cross, feels a tad over the top.
 

Phomesy

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lol love your work BC but Dele was anything but lazy today. He was superb after we went down to 10 men.

Like you point out about others on Aurier - you've already made your mind up. I've always felt Dele can be lazy and petulant. He was neither today and put in a proper shift. To suggest otherwise is to not have properly watched the game.
 

elDiablo

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Aurier is the perfect replacement of walker. Almost identical player - including their brainless. Anyway, walker has his IQ improved under poch. I am not worried

Yeah seems they both have erratic moments but I'd say serge has more of a football brain where as walker is more of an athlete
 

DaleMurphy

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I don't understand all this hate for Dele this is his game most of time he fiddles about and then boom he scores a cracker out of nowhere. He should not have been subbed thought Poch did right there u don't take off our second best goal scoring threat unless we're up big
 

guiltyparty

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lol love your work BC but Dele was anything but lazy today. He was superb after we went down to 10 men.

Like you point out about others on Aurier - you've already made your mind up. I've always felt Dele can be lazy and petulant. He was neither today and put in a proper shift. To suggest otherwise is to not have properly watched the game.

Despite the fact that numerous people watched the game and think the same thing?

The level of patronising going on is quite unbelievable in this place. Because someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean they're wrong. Get over yourself.

I watched the game and agree with everything BC says on Alli, if not Aurier, Winks or Sissoko. For me, Sissoko is an average player shining because better players are under-performing such as Alli and Dier and with us carrying injuries - if they were playing better/we had more options, he wouldn't be in, but they're not, and we don't, so love the one you're with.

Winks is clearly being eased back from a bad injury. Onomah wasn't rated, just got to get over that one. Aurier made the tackle of the game and looked lively but still isn't up to speed here. I've been very critical of him but also like the look of him, so not sure I've made my mind up on him, he just offers a lot of what we don't have. Potentially.
 

danielneeds

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I don't understand all this hate for Dele this is his game most of time he fiddles about and then boom he scores a cracker out of nowhere. He should not have been subbed thought Poch did right there u don't take off our second best goal scoring threat unless we're up big
He's basically this millennium's David Platt or Gus Poyet.
 

DaleMurphy

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Ali is really good but we cant afford to carry him, he definately doesnt pull his weight.

could he be dropped for a match against a bottom half side sure that might do some good. But u have to be fucking kidding me if u believe we can't afford to carry him I'm not even gonna bother to look up stats and post them to defend our second top scorer and two time defending YPOTY
 
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