sparx100
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Vertonghen was forward more than Davies So it felt to me that Davies could cover when Verts goes on a run. So i think the formation is valid.
Ratings vs Gent (2nd leg)
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Vertonghen was forward more than Davies So it felt to me that Davies could cover when Verts goes on a run. So i think the formation is valid.
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Lloris- 5 couldn't do much about the goals and had little else to do
Walker- 7 he was very good to be fair, if we would have won the game it would have come from the pressure he created
Dier- 3 i thought his defending was atrocious at times tonight. Caught in the wrong shape for the headed assist to Kane's OG, his failed offside trap and when he just let the Gent player cross the ball without pressure for their late chance that hit the side netting I lost rag with him. He's one that needs to take a look at himself IMO
Toby- 6 Usual Toby, Mr Reliable
Jan- 7 Along with Walker and Eriksen he was a cut above the rest of our players
Davies- 4 I'm sorry but I just don't rate him. He's okay for a West Brom, Sunderland or Crystal Palace that sit back but he's not existant going forward and I panicked every time he got the ball because he's so unbelievably predictable. He's one that needs to be moved on and upgraded on in the summer
Wanyama- 6 Again a good performance. He never seems to play badly. Lovely goal
Dembele- 6 I'm a huge fan, but I think maybe his time as our lynchpin in midfield should start to be planned to come to an end? If we could get decent money and replace him with someone more progressive then honestly I'd really consider it now. He controls games, but he doesn't impact them further than that. If we add some pace (Brandt, Gnabry, Insigne, Iheancho etc) we need someone that can make a pass to utilise them better. I do love him though, so it would be bitter sweet
Eriksen- 7 He played well. Always links our play, but I think he wasted opportunities from set pieces and snatched at chances to create that he is usually ice cool with
Alli- 3 this is probably a bad time to rate him tbh because I'm upset with him. I'll leave it at that!
Kane- 5 didn't offer a lot tbh. Held the ball up well at times but his runs in and around the box weren't good enough in my mind. Could have scored a couple and he'd have been an 8 then but I'm rating his overall performance
Winks- 6 He's always good. Happy to see him come off the bench and even see him start to take starts off Dembele because he offers something we need desperately against teams that sit back and get men behind the ball
Son- 4 Tbh he was poor when he got the ball but he wasn't involved a great deal to be fair to him.
Janssen- NET he came on as a last resort and a complete punt and that says it all about what Poch thinks he can offer and I have to agree. He looks like a poor player and we need to do better in the summer. Screw being sentimental or giving him time, he's not been injured like Lamela in his first season and he's shown literally nothing to suggest he's good enough to play for Spurs
Walker- 7 he was very good to be fair, if we would have won the game it would have come from the pressure he created
Dier- 3 i thought his defending was atrocious at times tonight. Caught in the wrong shape for the headed assist to Kane's OG, his failed offside trap and when he just let the Gent player cross the ball without pressure for their late chance that hit the side netting I lost rag with him. He's one that needs to take a look at himself IMO
Toby- 6 Usual Toby, Mr Reliable
Jan- 7 Along with Walker and Eriksen he was a cut above the rest of our players
Davies- 4 I'm sorry but I just don't rate him. He's okay for a West Brom, Sunderland or Crystal Palace that sit back but he's not existant going forward and I panicked every time he got the ball because he's so unbelievably predictable. He's one that needs to be moved on and upgraded on in the summer
Wanyama- 6 Again a good performance. He never seems to play badly. Lovely goal
Dembele- 6 I'm a huge fan, but I think maybe his time as our lynchpin in midfield should start to be planned to come to an end? If we could get decent money and replace him with someone more progressive then honestly I'd really consider it now. He controls games, but he doesn't impact them further than that. If we add some pace (Brandt, Gnabry, Insigne, Iheancho etc) we need someone that can make a pass to utilise them better. I do love him though, so it would be bitter sweet
Eriksen- 7 He played well. Always links our play, but I think he wasted opportunities from set pieces and snatched at chances to create that he is usually ice cool with
Alli- 3 this is probably a bad time to rate him tbh because I'm upset with him. I'll leave it at that!
Kane- 5 didn't offer a lot tbh. Held the ball up well at times but his runs in and around the box weren't good enough in my mind. Could have scored a couple and he'd have been an 8 then but I'm rating his overall performance
Winks- 6 He's always good. Happy to see him come off the bench and even see him start to take starts off Dembele because he offers something we need desperately against teams that sit back and get men behind the ball
Son- 4 Tbh he was poor when he got the ball but he wasn't involved a great deal to be fair to him.
Janssen- NET he came on as a last resort and a complete punt and that says it all about what Poch thinks he can offer and I have to agree. He looks like a poor player and we need to do better in the summer. Screw being sentimental or giving him time, he's not been injured like Lamela in his first season and he's shown literally nothing to suggest he's good enough to play for Spurs
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Whats the point in playing that system if like in your words...''Davies umbilical cord is attached to the halfway line''
The system does not work, when Rose is out and Davies in.....so it was the wrong system to play if you don't have the right players to play it......Gent were so poor we nearly won in any case.
The side and system that was so impressive at Fulham is what i was expecting.
Winks and Son should have started though i do accept we still might have won with 11 players on the field.
At the end of the day lets not kid ourselves, if we can't beat Gent over 2 legs, we might as well not waste our time in this competition anyway.
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Problem is Trippier doesn't have the pace to get up and down like Walker does. And that's the most fundamental thing required for the Wing Back role in our system.
If we could put Trippier's right foot on Walker's body we'd have the best RWB in history...
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You need to go back and watch the match again.
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We played well but it wasn't good enough with 10 men we battered them but couldn't take our chances and was not cute clever wise experienced enough.
What I have learnt
avies isn't good enough at the level we want to be at. Sorry Dembele fans but he doesn't affect our creativity one bit. Alli has to learn from he's mistakes. Tottenham have an underlining mentality problem we have to add.
What I have learnt
avies isn't good enough at the level we want to be at. Sorry Dembele fans but he doesn't affect our creativity one bit. Alli has to learn from he's mistakes. Tottenham have an underlining mentality problem we have to add.
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Dier looks the same as his first season when he played in defence be it CB or RB.
Some big lapses that cost us goals but overall an okayish body at the back, the argument being he's still young and will grow into a top CB
Trouble is poch moved him into midfield out of desperation because we didn't sign a defensive midfield player and not only did he do a job, he excelled. Went on to become one of the stand out DMs in the league, maybe Europe as he was one of the very very few England players whose stock was raised by the euros.
So this season poch got what he wanted, a proper genuine hand made DM and dire has gone back into defence and he looks exactly about as good as he did in his first season, ok but not too great. Prone to mistakes. He made a real massive step up last season that had him linked to top top clubs. Think its somewhat bad management rolling back his software updates and making him a CB again. Feel it would have been better to share the load with wanyama who must be feeling the strain a little by now
However he still remains quite young so time is on his side to redevelop as a CB
Some big lapses that cost us goals but overall an okayish body at the back, the argument being he's still young and will grow into a top CB
Trouble is poch moved him into midfield out of desperation because we didn't sign a defensive midfield player and not only did he do a job, he excelled. Went on to become one of the stand out DMs in the league, maybe Europe as he was one of the very very few England players whose stock was raised by the euros.
So this season poch got what he wanted, a proper genuine hand made DM and dire has gone back into defence and he looks exactly about as good as he did in his first season, ok but not too great. Prone to mistakes. He made a real massive step up last season that had him linked to top top clubs. Think its somewhat bad management rolling back his software updates and making him a CB again. Feel it would have been better to share the load with wanyama who must be feeling the strain a little by now
However he still remains quite young so time is on his side to redevelop as a CB
Marcel Marceaux was a class act too.
Mime artist, you know exploring an imaginary box.
You watch with fascination and admiration
and at the end think mmmm clever
but what the fuck was that all about?'
Spurs contribution to Brexit, Theresa will be pleased.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Pagliarchi rules.
Early goal, Eriksen MOM (8)
Own goal Kane (5).
The football Gods giveth and then taketh away
Red card Dele unbelievable and he's done so well lately on the temper control front
We turned up and turned it on. Come on the 10 men.
Wanyama scores(6+)
The stuff of myth and legends
The time to play like that was last week.
Vertonghen has more shots than anybody, all in row Z (7)
Walker has more possession than anybody but wastes almost every ball (6)
Midfield is strong but lacking in creativity mostly. Dembele (6)
Dier lived up to his name again (4) (Old joke sorry )
Lloris (6) was a spectator for the last goal but shouldn't he be saving that?
Son comes and bamboozles everyone and himself for a decent chance.
What's that saying about concentrating on the league?
Oh and the FA Cup if we get past Millwall.
Bovered? I bloody well am.How very Spursy
Creditable performance in the circumstances though but a week late.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Pagliarchi rules.
Early goal, Eriksen MOM (8)
Own goal Kane (5).
The football Gods giveth and then taketh away
Red card Dele unbelievable and he's done so well lately on the temper control front
We turned up and turned it on. Come on the 10 men.
Wanyama scores(6+)
The stuff of myth and legends
The time to play like that was last week.
Vertonghen has more shots than anybody, all in row Z (7)
Walker has more possession than anybody but wastes almost every ball (6)
Midfield is strong but lacking in creativity mostly. Dembele (6)
Dier lived up to his name again (4) (Old joke sorry )
Lloris (6) was a spectator for the last goal but shouldn't he be saving that?
Son comes and bamboozles everyone and himself for a decent chance.
What's that saying about concentrating on the league?
Oh and the FA Cup if we get past Millwall.
Bovered? I bloody well am.How very Spursy
Creditable performance in the circumstances though but a week late.
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It was still a system that at least tries to encourage Davies to get into better attacking situations than playing in a back four system, and more importantly it allowed Walker to get forward constantly (just a shame he didn't use those opportunities well), it stopped them being able to funnel us narrow, which in turn meant when we did come inside there was often more room, it got Eriksen playing a more pivotal role, instead of being pushed out wide, and we played well, dominated the game, created numerous decent situations and even created quality chances. The system worked because this wasn't Craven Cottage, against a very obliging Fulham team who play a high line and try to play themselves, this was the much more expansive Wembley against a very obdurate, deeper sitting, hard working team.
I would have liked Winks to start too, and would have been happy with either of Son or Alli starting, but not both in that system.
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Bus-Conductor
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I think that's a massive exaggeration of the reality of Dier's role. This PL is much tougher than last year, we were formulaic last year, we were allowed to be, but Dier was pretty ho hum in many, many games, and in his best games was just a solid and reliable defensively orientated option, who very often just retreated into the back line and dragged the game back with him. He lacks vision, tempo and the ability to drive a game. He made many mistakes last year, but they were less costly because he had two great CB's behind him. His Euro's were abject and his performances in CM early in the season were worse than abject, he's definitely not a great CM, he's not even really a CM, any more than Phil Jones was.
Despite the odd mistake at CB, (I hope) he's young enough and bright enough to learn from them and still think he has the potential to be a very good strong but capable technically, CB with leadership potential. All CB's make mistakes, in general I think he's been OK. But one thing is for certain, if he can't play CB, I sure as shit don't think he can play CM, because that's a hell of a lot more demanding if you are going to do it well.
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Dier was England's best player at the Euros and before you say 'Everyone for England was shit', Dier certainly played well, arguably better in that position than for Spurs.
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No he wasn't, Lallana was.
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Lallana was good, but his abysmal finishing was a factor as to why we didn't beat Russia.
guiltyparty
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Undoubtedly has his favourites. But then most managers do I guess
thinktank
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Said this at the end of last season...
Poch has obviously worked hard on him to reduce his errors and improve his decision making and it's paid off to a large degree, but he just doesn't have a natural understanding of the position. He's had some stand-out performances this season tbf to him, but I stand by what I said last season.
It's difficult now as KWP will be brought along to deputise, eventually, when really we need a new Sheriff for him to be the deputy to.
Issue also on the other side as when Rose gets injured our effectiveness on that side drops 30-40% with Davies (and Rose could still do with decision making and crossing tweaking to improve even further).
Anyway, we definitely need to use Tripps more in games where he won't get jacked for pace..
archiewasking
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No it isn't. Drop him and put Tripps in.
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