Jota

Frozen_Waffles · Dec 20, 2023

McFlash said:
And that also stinks of a young player being poorly advised.
Mendes after the money again...what a shock.

This sort of view always surprises me. The reason a lot of players choose Mendes is because they want to maximise the money they get. It's not like Jota is a poor innocent little child.

And if (as a footballer) you want the most money, then Mendes is a good agent, what's he on 200k a week? After playing for Celtic?

Let's face it spurs wouldn't be offering half that. Look at Nuno, still getting jobs. Doherty back at Wolves on a contract. Mendes may be dodgy but I don't take the poor innocent little footballer angle, not one bit.

If he signs for Spurs, he could be getting 200k a week and playing in the PL after playing for Celtic the season before. That's brilliant work by Mendes.

McFlash · Dec 20, 2023

Frozen_Waffles said:
This sort of view always surprises me. The reason a lot of players choose Mendes is because they want to maximise the money they get. It's not like Jota is a poor innocent little child.

And if (as a footballer) you want the most money, then Mendes is a good agent, what's he on 200k a week? After playing for Celtic?

Let's face it spurs wouldn't be offering half that. Look at Nuno, still getting jobs. Doherty back at Wolves on a contract. Mendes may be dodgy but I don't take the poor innocent little footballer angle, not one bit.

If he signs for Spurs, he could be getting 200k a week and playing in the PL after playing for Celtic the season before. That's brilliant work by Mendes.

That depends on whether you just want quick money, or a decent career.
Going over to Saudi at the age of 24 isn't a great career move imo.
I didn't say he was a "poor little footballer" but with an agent like Mendes, who has form for pushing players to where he wants them to be, I'd certainly be looking more at the agent than the player in deciding that move.

And in one sentence, you say that Spurs wouldn't be paying him 200k a week, then finish by saying that if he signs for Spurs, he could be on 200k per week?

We haven't a clue what he's currently on but we do know that there's no way we would pay him 200k per week.

Locotoro · Dec 20, 2023

McFlash said:
That depends on whether you just want quick money, or a decent career.
Going over to Saudi at the age of 24 isn't a great career move imo.
I didn't say he was a "poor little footballer" but with an agent like Mendes, who has form for pushing players to where he wants them to be, I'd certainly be looking more at the agent than the player in deciding that move.

And in one sentence, you say that Spurs wouldn't be paying him 200k a week, then finish by saying that if he signs for Spurs, he could be on 200k per week?

We haven't a clue what he's currently on but we do know that there's no way we would pay him 200k per week.

It depends what your career aims are? If his goal was to maximise is income then he's played a blinder.
He's gone to Saudi after a season at Celtic and now he's "not required" by his Saudi club despite having the vast majority of his contract to go so he's picking up a fat cheque and will likely be going out to different club on loan. After a season or two of his 200k salary he can then choose to reduce his salary for a move back to Europe or stick with the high salary and move around on loan.

Not every football has the same career goal

Frozen_Waffles · Dec 20, 2023

McFlash said:
That depends on whether you just want quick money, or a decent career.
Going over to Saudi at the age of 24 isn't a great career move imo.
I didn't say he was a "poor little footballer" but with an agent like Mendes, who has form for pushing players to where he wants them to be, I'd certainly be looking more at the agent than the player in deciding that move.

And in one sentence, you say that Spurs wouldn't be paying him 200k a week, then finish by saying that if he signs for Spurs, he could be on 200k per week?

We haven't a clue what he's currently on but we do know that there's no way we would pay him 200k per week.

You say that a young player is poorly advised, the player still has to agree to it.

Even if a player goes to Arabia there are still plenty of clubs who will jump at the chance of signing them after their stint.

With the 200k, I imagine if spurs would have bought Jota, we never would even consider paying those sorts of wages. If however we sign him on loan until the end of the season then covering the wages may be ok.

McFlash · Dec 20, 2023

Frozen_Waffles said:
You say that a young player is poorly advised, the player still has to agree to it.

Even if a player goes to Arabia there are still plenty of clubs who will jump at the chance of signing them after their stint.

With the 200k, I imagine if spurs would have bought Jota, we never would even consider paying those sorts of wages. If however we sign him on loan until the end of the season then covering the wages may be ok.

Yeah, you're probably right but I just still struggle to understand why the likes of Neves and Jota would want to go and play in a shit league, in empty stadiums, just for the money.
It's not like they wouldn't be paid handsomely enough across Europe.

It may be down to greed, maybe a lack of confidence in their own ability or something but I can't help think that a few of them haven't been pushed there by their agents for nefarious reasons.

24 is still young and open to persuasion, especially if you think that person has your best interests at heart, which may not be the case in reality.

Locotoro · Dec 20, 2023

McFlash said:
Yeah, you're probably right but I just still struggle to understand why the likes of Neves and Jota would want to go and play in a shit league, in empty stadiums, just for the money.
It's not like they wouldn't be paid handsomely enough across Europe.

It may be down to greed, maybe a lack of confidence in their own ability or something but I can't help think that a few of them haven't been pushed there by their agents for nefarious reasons.

24 is still young and open to persuasion, especially if you think that person has your best interests at heart, which may not be the case in reality.

A thought that has just occured to me that I should have thought of previously is that a prospective buyer may find dealing with a cash rich Saudi club much easier than Wolves, who are premier league rich but still have to balance the books.

Neves and Jota may have been advised to go to Saudi, fill your pockets for a year and push for an exit to one of the bigger clubs in Europe. I'm sure that benefits the agent too

Frozen_Waffles · Dec 20, 2023

McFlash said:
Yeah, you're probably right but I just still struggle to understand why the likes of Neves and Jota would want to go and play in a shit league, in empty stadiums, just for the money.
It's not like they wouldn't be paid handsomely enough across Europe.

It may be down to greed, maybe a lack of confidence in their own ability or something but I can't help think that a few of them haven't been pushed there by their agents for nefarious reasons.

24 is still young and open to persuasion, especially if you think that person has your best interests at heart, which may not be the case in reality.

I think it comes down to they see it as a job, and like any job they want to get the most out of it.

If a Saudi company comes a long and offers most people to do their same job but at 4 times the pay, people will accept.

Also football can be a very short career, from injury or just not being consistent. Earning 12m in a year for (in Jotas case) doing f all is pretty good. Same with youngsters going to Chelsea on massive wages.

You could work hard and could make it at a top club, but if you're being offered the big bucks now it must be incredibly difficult not to take it.

McFlash · Dec 20, 2023

Locotoro said:
A thought that has just occured to me that I should have thought of previously is that a prospective buyer may find dealing with a cash rich Saudi club much easier than Wolves, who are premier league rich but still have to balance the books.

Neves and Jota may have been advised to go to Saudi, fill your pockets for a year and push for an exit to one of the bigger clubs in Europe. I'm sure that benefits the agent too

That's a very good line of thinking.
Maybe I'm letting my bias, or even prejudice take over but there certainly feels to be something wholly dodgy about the whole Saudi league scenario.

Ghost Hardware · Dec 20, 2023

Do we actually need a LW more than a RW currently? There’s probably argument for both tbf. For me I feel like we should be giving Solomon a proper chance plus Son has been looking very good there again last few games and we have Gil even if he’s more of a back up at this point. For me I feel Kulu looks much better at 10 and considering Maddison is quite injury prone over the last few seasons I could see Kulu getting a lot of game time there going forward even when Maddison is back.

I get the other argument of course, what if Richy goes off the boil or gets injured then we are back to Son up top and Solomon being our only viable LW and he’s not even back yet. Although personally i think Gil should be getting more mins there but if Ange doesn’t think he’s up to it then he needs replacing. Of course on the other side you could say the same if Johnson got injured and then Kulu is the only option on the RW.

I guess Ange will know what he wants most and I can certainly see the appeal of Jota being on a loan with option, if money is tight, as he already knows the system so it would just be a case of adjusting to the league. Personally I have a few doubts if he will be able to make the transition to the PL BUT if Ange wants him and thinks he can then who am I to question him. Ether way tho I do wonder at this point if a RW over a LW would make more sense but I guess a lot comes down to availability and the financials.

Bluto Blutarsky · Dec 21, 2023

Watched a few Celtic games today - Jota played on the right and left.

Locotoro · Dec 21, 2023

McFlash said:
That's a very good line of thinking.
Maybe I'm letting my bias, or even prejudice take over but there certainly feels to be something wholly dodgy about the whole Saudi league scenario.

I understand.
I'm not a fan of Saudi to put it mildly and what they are doing is sports washing.

However, we have to be careful to remember that it would be easy for us and our view to be accused of eurocentric elitism.

In their minds, they are trying to build a league that will compete with the top 5 leagues (all European) and that is a good thing on the world stage because it will lead to other countries investing in their leagues and infrastructure.

Whilst there are good things about this Saudi league from a footballing perspective there's far too much politically for me to support them

Regarding Jota, the fact they spent 30 mill on him and then he's out of contention screams that they have money to burn

Nick-TopSpursMan · Dec 21, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Do we actually need a LW more than a RW currently? There’s probably argument for both tbf. For me I feel like we should be giving Solomon a proper chance plus Son has been looking very good there again last few games and we have Gil even if he’s more of a back up at this point. For me I feel Kulu looks much better at 10 and considering Maddison is quite injury prone over the last few seasons I could see Kulu getting a lot of game time there going forward even when Maddison is back.

I get the other argument of course, what if Richy goes off the boil or gets injured then we are back to Son up top and Solomon being our only viable LW and he’s not even back yet. Although personally i think Gil should be getting more mins there but if Ange doesn’t think he’s up to it then he needs replacing. Of course on the other side you could say the same if Johnson got injured and then Kulu is the only option on the RW.

I guess Ange will know what he wants most and I can certainly see the appeal of Jota being on a loan with option, if money is tight, as he already knows the system so it would just be a case of adjusting to the league. Personally I have a few doubts if he will be able to make the transition to the PL BUT if Ange wants him and thinks he can then who am I to question him. Ether way tho I do wonder at this point if a RW over a LW would make more sense but I guess a lot comes down to availability and the financials.

I think Ange likes Deki on the right and when Maddison is back will mainly use him there. So with Johnson and Deki we have the cover Ange wants for that side.

Where as on the left, while Son can play there I still think the Newcastle game was an outlier up against the horrific Trippier and he is more suited to the central striker role these days especially in Ange’s system.

If Jota did come in, he can operate on both flanks (mainly left but has played on the right too), so this would give us enough cover then.

Agree I want to see more from Solomon but I have a fear so far that he’s not two way enough with his dribbling.

In an ideal world, I’d use Deki almost exclusively in midfield and sign both a LW and RW. I think Ange wants to use Deki from RW a lot though so in his mind we probably just need a LW.

SpartanSpur · Dec 21, 2023

I'd quite like to see something like this:

Loan Jota until the summer
Sign Bardghji and loan back until the summer

Richarlison and Son is enough at 9 for the rest of this season and Johnson can play up there at a push. We need a tricky player out wide in the squad with Solomon injured.

If Jota is a hit buy him and look to move on Gil and/or Solomon in the summer.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Dec 29, 2023

Ange Postecoglou hands Daniel Levy January shopping list of defender, winger and midfielder

Centre-back Radu Dragusin and wide man Jota are likely targets as Tottenham manager looks to strengthen injury-ravaged squad

www.telegraph.co.uk

The most likely winger for Spurs to target in January is Jota. Tottenham are likely to look at a loan deal or a free transfer for Jota and it remains to be seen whether Al-Ittihad will seek a significant fee.

Hotspur88 · Dec 29, 2023

Nick-TopSpursMan said:
Ange Postecoglou hands Daniel Levy January shopping list of defender, winger and midfielder

Centre-back Radu Dragusin and wide man Jota are likely targets as Tottenham manager looks to strengthen injury-ravaged squad

www.telegraph.co.uk

The most likely winger for Spurs to target in January is Jota. Tottenham are likely to look at a loan deal or a free transfer for Jota and it remains to be seen whether Al-Ittihad will seek a significant fee.

100% an option and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they released him so would be a free transfer. I'm not sold on him tbh so it's not one that excites me but if we identify him as someone Ange and the new recruitment team want then that's fine by me.

teok · Dec 29, 2023

Will he even be fit enough to get straight into it in the prem?

FloridaSpur · Dec 29, 2023

McFlash said:
That depends on whether you just want quick money, or a decent career.
Going over to Saudi at the age of 24 isn't a great career move imo.
I didn't say he was a "poor little footballer" but with an agent like Mendes, who has form for pushing players to where he wants them to be, I'd certainly be looking more at the agent than the player in deciding that move.

And in one sentence, you say that Spurs wouldn't be paying him 200k a week, then finish by saying that if he signs for Spurs, he could be on 200k per week?

We haven't a clue what he's currently on but we do know that there's no way we would pay him 200k per week.

A footballers career is short, can be cut short by injury and at the very top is a unique job.

Why shouldn't a footballer want to make "quick money"?

You and I would, and i think the vast majority in here would. I have experienced many, many employees that have moved on for more money, many that have given up a bright qualified future for more money today.

Footballers are relatively no different from anyone in a job, they are just looking out for themselves and for the future of their families.

Mendes has built his business around supply and demand, and no one ever points a gun to a Chairman's head and asks to have a cheque cut, and certainly not Daniel Levy's.

I think if he's available on loan we should get him and like Kulu and Bentancur look at him at the end of the season regarding a permanent signing, a no risk option for both parties.

FloridaSpur · Dec 29, 2023

Jota's 2022/2023 stats, as far as I can see as a left winger.

Before anyone say's well that in a pub league, I still think that Ange can make him fit into our side and in the PL. Plus he knows Ange's system which means he should be able to slot straight in?

EastUpperDK82 · Dec 29, 2023

FloridaSpur said:
Jota's 2022/2023 stats, as far as I can see as a left winger.

Before anyone say's well that in a pub league, I still think that Ange can make him fit into our side and in the PL. Plus he knows Ange's system which means he should be able to slot straight in?

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Yes... he fits Ange's system. And he would have no problem with the physical aspect of the Premier League. He knows that part of the game from Scotland. He can deal with it from day 1.

bbunc · Dec 29, 2023

If nothing else, would be a huge upgrade on Gil who provides absolutely zilch.

obviously knows exactly what Ange wants to do and if they mutually want to work with one another again hard to find too much wrong with that.

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