Tottenham Takeover Talk

danielneeds · Oct 18, 2023

I was very unimpressed with Jasim's media strategy for buying United. Basically promising everything would be sunshine and unicorns, from here to eternity. Usually when someone's promising that sort of stuff they are not to be trusted.

HodisGawd · Oct 18, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
I wonder what the responses to these rumours would be if we were currently mid table, playing average football looking like another season of mediocrity.

I understand some concerns over where the investment is coming from and I agree to parts of the arguments. However the fact of the matter is yes we've gone close on a few occasions, but the trophy cabinet is still pretty bare and hasn't had anything added to it for 15 YEARS! We have incredible facilities, we are based in London and the Academy now seems to be on track. Any outside investment would purely need to invest in the Men's & Women's first teams and the academy. We are a very attractive proposition to investors and we would cost far less than what he offered for UTD.

The fact of the matter is, Chelsea have won shit loads due to investment, so have City and now Newcastle will start winning things. Their fans don't really give a shit who the owners are.

That's because their fans are morons. We are not.

Also, my response, as I'm sure would be the same with many fans, would be exactly the same if we were mid-table.

It's a firm no thank you. We support THFC, not a nation state, and the soul of the club is not that easily bought.

Now f*** off Qatar, we don't want you.

Col_M · Oct 18, 2023

danielneeds said:
I was very unimpressed with Jasim's media strategy for buying United. Basically promising everything would be sunshine and unicorns, from here to eternity. Usually when someone's promising that sort of stuff they are not to be trusted.

but what if they are ?

mil1lion · Oct 18, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
*some fans don’t give a shit who the owners are.

I do. I’m not comfortable having owners who have no interest in the club other than to use as part sports washing project to wash their public image of values that are quite frankly medieval and barbaric. But hey if you’re comfortable with owners who persecute gay people, restrict women’s rights, or dismember journalists that speak out against their practices, just so your can see spurs win a couple trophies, that’s on you. What I want to know, where is the line with all this? Would fans be happy with convicted peadophiles as owners if they promised to spend silly money? Where is line of morality? Or are football fans so tribal that morals are secondary?

This is not all directed at you personally by the way. I just find it astounding that fans are willing to dismiss all sorts disgusting behaviour just because it doesn’t personally affect their day to day life, and it means they can banter rival mates if we become successful. It could never be me.

Just from my side. Although I totally get your points and I do fully agree about their methods and how wrong they are. I would like to say though that it's totally different to a convicted paedo. If they're convicted of that it's because that is the law and they were found guilty by it. The situation in the Middle East is different because those are their laws over there. No matter how outdated or wrong we perceive them.

That's the one thing I would say about the potential of such an investor in a less negative viewpoint. They have their own laws and religious beliefs etc which all nations do. Even if we see them as wrong compared to our way of life. If they invest in Spurs they're not bringing their laws over here. We are still English and still go by our own laws. How they make their money is totally legal in their own nation. So I can understand why some are OK with it. I think its a tricky one. In the ideal world you have an owner who is clean but many wealthy people have their dark clouds.

Tucker · Oct 18, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
I wonder what the responses to these rumours would be if we were currently mid table, playing average football looking like another season of mediocrity.

I understand some concerns over where the investment is coming from and I agree to parts of the arguments. However the fact of the matter is yes we've gone close on a few occasions, but the trophy cabinet is still pretty bare and hasn't had anything added to it for 15 YEARS! We have incredible facilities, we are based in London and the Academy now seems to be on track. Any outside investment would purely need to invest in the Men's & Women's first teams and the academy. We are a very attractive proposition to investors and we would cost far less than what he offered for UTD.

The fact of the matter is, Chelsea have won shit loads due to investment, so have City and now Newcastle will start winning things. Their fans don't really give a shit who the owners are.

There was a notable resistance to the Qataris when this first reared it’s ugly head last January, when we were playing poorly, Conte was starting to lose the squad, and people were saying it was all Levy’s fault. Yet loads of us were still very very vocal in not wanting blood money.

Tyler24durden · Oct 18, 2023

Tucker said:
There was a notable resistance to the Qataris when this first reared it’s ugly head last January, when we were playing poorly, Conte was starting to lose the squad, and people were saying it was all Levy’s fault. Yet loads of us were still very very vocal in not wanting blood money.

Yet 65% weren’t.

Tucker · Oct 18, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
Yet 65% weren’t.

And the relevance of this is what exactly?

Tyler24durden · Oct 18, 2023

Tucker said:
And the relevance of this is what exactly?

Erm, context for one.

In response to your post citing loads being vocal in not wanting ‘blood money’.

a notable resistance you quote.

yet one could say there was a more noticeable support for it, over 65%.

also this is a forum where people respond to posts, some are relevant and some are not.

i feel this was a relevant point, you may not, it’s all about opinions.

I certainly wouldn’t feel the need to question other people’s post as being relevant or not however, do whatever makes you happy.

Tucker · Oct 18, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
Erm, context for one.

In response to your post citing loads being vocal in not wanting ‘blood money’.

a notable resistance you quote.

yet one could say there was a more noticeable support for it, over 65%.

also this is a forum where people respond to posts, some are relevant and some are not.

i feel this was a relevant point, you may not, it’s all about opinions.

I certainly wouldn’t feel the need to question other people’s post as being relevant or not however, do whatever makes you happy.

But I never said it was a majority, did I? I was responding to a post that was implying people were only against it now because the club was in a good place under Enic, I was pointing out this wasn’t the case. A post citing the result of a poll doesn’t really bare any relevance to that imo.

HedgieSpur · Oct 18, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
I wonder what the responses to these rumours would be if we were currently mid table, playing average football looking like another season of mediocrity.

I understand some concerns over where the investment is coming from and I agree to parts of the arguments. However the fact of the matter is yes we've gone close on a few occasions, but the trophy cabinet is still pretty bare and hasn't had anything added to it for 15 YEARS! We have incredible facilities, we are based in London and the Academy now seems to be on track. Any outside investment would purely need to invest in the Men's & Women's first teams and the academy. We are a very attractive proposition to investors and we would cost far less than what he offered for UTD.

The fact of the matter is, Chelsea have won shit loads due to investment, so have City and now Newcastle will start winning things. Their fans don't really give a shit who the owners are.

We’ve long made our peace with having an offshore tax dodger, who made his money ruining our currency as an owner. As such, much of the outrage I see about Qatar rings a little hollow tbh.

coysjod · Oct 18, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
We’ve long made our peace with having an offshore tax dodger, who made his money ruining our currency as an owner. As such, much of the outrage I see about Qatar rings a little hollow tbh.

You don’t think the levels are a bit different between tax dodging and the human rights crimes (murder and persecution) they stand for?

mil1lion · Oct 18, 2023

I've never really had issue with Chelsea when they were owned by a Russian or City being owned by UAE and Newcastle the Saudis. I've only taken issue to how those clubs are getting success handed to them. I'd rather organically grow the club and earn titles that way. Neither of those clubs did that. They just were lucky enough to have uber rich owners come in who were willing to throw money to succeed. Although Newcastle haven't been able to do that as yet. Its when they start abusing the system for success I will take issue. I don't like how City have got around the FFP and still able to operate with all these charges still hanging over them. I don't like how Chelsea get around it by offering 8 year contracts. They abuse the system and obscure the market.

I would just like us to continue operating sensibly in the market finding the best prospects and build a true team with an identity we all enjoy. If ENIC are not willing to spend and keep that going then we someone who will. I don't want us to take shortcuts by cheating the system. I dont want us to sign mega star players who don't buy into the club and only come for big wages.

Whitey · Oct 18, 2023

mil1lion said:
This is what we do best. The issue is that we have never kept them when they become world class and continued to develop more world class players. As soon as we sell a Bale, Modric or a Kane we then find ourselves waiting time to develop a replacement. Our world class developed world class players are very much few and far between. It's asking a lot to develop all the time and have enough quality in depth. We still need to also be able to identify a clear quality player who will improve us immediately and spend the money. The squad now is like the early days under Poch, a lot of young talent and a very strong team. Once we're back in Europe we need a good deal more as the squad ultimately fell short under Poch and I think was the primary reason we didn't win anything. We've seen Arsenal spend 100m+ on a player developed by West Ham, Liverpool on a player developed by Brighton and yet we never really do it unless they're cheap enough due to contract length. That's the biggest difference for me. The best teams who win multiple titles are the ones who sign prime players at their best. The ones who typically fall short are the ones who develop those players to be sold to them.

If we can keep the scouting of high prospects going but also add the odd ready made player I think we'll take the next step. If we couldn't win things under Poch I'm not sure how likely it is we do it now. Maybe Ange will be a level above but then the competition is tougher now too compared to what it was under Poch. It's less and less realistic to win things without big spending.

Hopefully this is the next step in our evolution towards being regular competitors in all comps... We were close but not close enough in recent history... I for one enjoy this kind I'd journey, you just need to keep the blinker on and ignore the entitlement from other fans.... Some of own if needed, happy days and long may it continue COYS

glacierSpurs · Oct 18, 2023

Big Ange definitely brought back optimism in just a short while and I really hope this will continue. Because any reversal of fortune together with Levy being back to his old tricks and I am sure the sentiments will swing back to asking questions of his position in the club.

My personal take is, I hope he stays now, IF we are really close to the top comes Christmas and really can challenge for the title. Back Ange with all shitloads of cash in the winter window and cover the entire squad with strong depth. Go on and win the title comes May 2024 then announce his departure with a healthy sale of the club. Levy will be the forever legacy.

HodisGawd · Oct 18, 2023

Tyler24durden said:
Erm, context for one.

In response to your post citing loads being vocal in not wanting ‘blood money’.

a notable resistance you quote.

yet one could say there was a more noticeable support for it, over 65%.

also this is a forum where people respond to posts, some are relevant and some are not.

i feel this was a relevant point, you may not, it’s all about opinions.

I certainly wouldn’t feel the need to question other people’s post as being relevant or not however, do whatever makes you happy.

You don't need to put blood money in quotes.

It's blood money they're offering.

absolute bobbins · Oct 18, 2023

HodisGawd said:
That's because their fans are morons. We are not.

Also, my response, as I'm sure would be the same with many fans, would be exactly the same if we were mid-table.

It's a firm no thank you. We support THFC, not a nation state, and the soul of the club is not that easily bought.

Now f*** off Qatar, we don't want you.

Spurs fans are just as thick as United fans.

Trix · Oct 18, 2023

HodisGawd said:
That's because their fans are morons. We are not.

Also, my response, as I'm sure would be the same with many fans, would be exactly the same if we were mid-table.

It's a firm no thank you. We support THFC, not a nation state, and the soul of the club is not that easily bought.

Now f*** off Qatar, we don't want you.

Ha ha, if you think we are any different on the whole you are very wrong.

SirHarryHotspur · Oct 18, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
We’ve long made our peace with having an offshore tax dodger, who made his money ruining our currency as an owner. As such, much of the outrage I see about Qatar rings a little hollow tbh.

Think your main problem with the run on the pound in Sept 1992 was Norman Lamont and an inept British government.

danielneeds · Oct 18, 2023

Trix said:
Ha ha, you think we are any different on the whole you are very wrong.

There's a desperation to the United fanbase currently. The fallen kings who've seen their neighbour ascend to the throne. As bad as it's been at times for us, the vast majority of Spurs fans have a sense of realism.

Trix · Oct 18, 2023

danielneeds said:
There's a desperation to the United fanbase currently. The fallen kings who've seen their neighbour ascend to the throne. As bad as it's been at times for us, the vast majority of Spurs fans have a sense of realism.

The vast majority of most fan bases do. It's the vocal minority you notice and that's why it seems like they are all crazy. United have more fans so the numbers of those fans are going to be higher, but the % won't be much different from team to team.

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