Harry Kane

southlondonyiddo · Jul 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Levy's done a LOT wrong in the last few years, but I don't really buy the argument that "it's a joke he's allowed us to get into this position with Kane's contract".

In reality, the only reason Kane's still here is because Levy persuaded him to sign a SIX year contract at the absolute best possible time in 2018.

The fact we even had Kane through the last 4 years of shite is a minor miracle in itself.

The reason Kane is still here is because no other club was prepared to pay what he was worth to us

Had City/Madrid/Barca/Munich written a cheque for about 130/150m a few years back Levy would have packed his bags and driven him to the airport

sundanceyid10 · Jul 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Levy's done a LOT wrong in the last few years, but I don't really buy the argument that "it's a joke he's allowed us to get into this position with Kane's contract".

In reality, the only reason Kane's still here is because Levy persuaded him to sign a SIX year contract at the absolute best possible time in 2018.

The fact we even had Kane through the last 4 years of shite is a minor miracle in itself.

It’s not necessarily Levy’s fault about Kanes contract, he has however made errors in constructing the squad around him. The managerial mess over a long period. He is starting yet another project this year. Some of the purchases have been quite shocking as well.

McFlash · Jul 23, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
That is the £80M question.

Again - if the club were flush with cash - why would it need the cash injection from ENIC?

I think the answer lies in two parts - we don't have the cash to spend that many people assume, and Levy is not going overextend the club financially. So, I am sure he has a minimum cash reserve that he will maintain for "emergencies" or some other downturn in cash.

We would also have to anticipate lower revenues from this season - being out of CL and Europe altogether.

Pretty much every other PL club spend that sort of money without blinking.
Our stadium was the game changer so how come we just as skint now as we were before it was up and running?

We're regularly getting outspent by clubs with smaller grounds, generating far less income, so I really can't understand why we are perpetually skint.
We can spend the money if we want to, the question is, do we want to?

Timberwolf · Jul 23, 2023

sundanceyid10 said:
It’s not necessarily Levy’s fault about Kanes contract, he has however made errors in constructing the squad around him. The managerial mess over a long period. He is starting yet another project this year. Some of the purchases have been quite shocking as well.

Yeah completely agree - hence I said Levy's done a lot wrong.

Kane might have signed another deal if we hadn't fucked up so much in various ways post-2018, but I still think it's funny that 6 year deal never gets brought up in these conversations as it was one hell of a coup to get him tied down for that long.

Timberwolf · Jul 23, 2023

southlondonyiddo said:
The reason Kane is still here is because no other club was prepared to pay what he was worth to us

Had City/Madrid/Barca/Munich written a cheque for about 130/150m a few years back Levy would have packed his bags and driven him to the airport

I.e. more than any of those clubs have ever paid for a player in their history. The reason he was worth that much and hence no-one was willing to pay was precisely because he had so much time left on his deal.

He only became vaguely affordable within the past 3 seasons. We basically priced him out of a move with that contract.

Mr Pink · Jul 23, 2023

Aay_Jay_Dee said:
Where’s the Kylian Mbappe thread?

In fantasty land - where it belongs.

sundanceyid10 · Jul 23, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah completely agree - hence I said Levy's done a lot wrong.

Kane might have signed another deal if we hadn't fucked up so much in various ways post-2018, but I still think it's funny that 6 year deal never gets brought up in these conversations as it was one hell of a coup to get him tied down for that long.

Completely agree with that. That’s the saddest thing for me the missed opportunity having a player like Kane and what deeply feel like wasted years to me. A wasted opportunity.

RuskyM · Jul 23, 2023

Might be just that I watch football far more romantically and emotionally these days but I can't really understand the idea of selling maybe our best ever player to bring in a few relative unknowns; particularly center backs. Feels like far more risk than reward.

Tyler24durden · Jul 23, 2023

Hotspur88 said:
We may feel we only need another £10m (this is a complete guess) to make both CB deals happen. Then I honestly don't know but maybe the club feel someone like Toney and then a decent spend on a long term Son replacement is the way to go forward for now. I honestly don't know what's happening or what our plans are moving forward with this. I really like Ferguson from Brighton but they would want a lot.

Ferguson would be worth it though.

Bluto Blutarsky · Jul 23, 2023

McFlash said:
Pretty much every other PL club spend that sort of money without blinking.

per transfermarkt

The list of teams with a higher net spend than Spurs - right now - before we spend £80M on CBs is:

1. Arsenal

And that's the end of the list. Nobody is spending £80M without blinking.

I have no idea where this idea comes from that we can continue to spend - in the face of declining revenue, no less. Somewhere people have gotten the wrong impression of our financial position. We are currently 2nd in net spend this summer. We need to sell - maybe not Kane, but we need to sell several players to Saudi Arabia, but nobody seems to be a willing buyer for less than chump change.

If you look at Net Spend including last season:

Chelsea
Arsenal
Man United
Newcastle
Spurs (if you add another £80M we would be 3rd - and we needed £100M from ENIC)

If you go back to include 21/22 just swap Arsenal and Chelsea. Liverpool are 6th, and have a net spend of £100M less than Spurs since 21/22

The 5 teams listed above are the only teams who have averaged 80M net spend across the last 3 seasons. If you take out those 5 teams, the remaining 9 teams who have been in PL all 3 season have averaged £85M net spend TOTAL across all 3 seasons.

longtimespur · Jul 23, 2023

King of the Lane said:
According to reports VDV and Tapsoba would cost about £80m (if accurate). £40m a player is almost the average going rate nowadays. It is also our most important area to strengthen and one we have failed to address across the past few windows.

If you want to bring up the funds from ENIC I could also ask where that mystery £50m (it was supposed to be £150mill overall) disappeared to?

We can agree to disagree and tbh neither of us have proof either way. Imo we just arent pushing the boat out when we could. Selling Kane and using the excuse that it had to be done in order to sign 2 CBs would be just that... another excuse.

It has always been thus with Levy.

Guntz · Jul 23, 2023

We’re definitely not short of money.

I refuse to believe that Arsenal who have spent £500m+ in 3 windows have more money than us.

It’s the ownership with different ambitions which is the deciding factor…

sidford · Jul 23, 2023

I'm 40 so I've seen 2 world class players live in person one being bale (2012-13 season) and Kane (last 6 years).
God knows when we'll get another one and we all know we won't be buying a ready made one so want to enjoy the hell out of him for one last season.

FloridaSpur · Jul 23, 2023

Aay_Jay_Dee said:
Where’s the Kylian Mbappe thread?

fantasyfootballmanagerforidiots.com

Ron Burgundy · Jul 23, 2023

sidford said:
I'm 40 so I've seen 2 world class players live in person one being bale (2012-13 season) and Kane (last 6 years).
God knows when we'll get another one and we all know we won't be buying a ready made one so want to enjoy the hell out of him for one last season.

It raises an interesting point though - what’s more important: seeing world class players, or watching better teams?

For us, they could (not saying will, but hypothetically) be mutually exclusive.

I sort of feel we should sell Harry for the right price, as the collective would end up stronger, for longer.

But it’s just a personal view

FloridaSpur · Jul 23, 2023

DenverSpur said:
Our debt is mostly the Stadium cost which is basically financed by a 30 year mortgage at less than 30M year which is about the same as we rake in from food and drink sold at the stadium. I’m pretty sure the debt is at a fixed rate so rising interest rates wouldn’t affect that. Saying we can’t afford to buy players is like saying a high income executive can’t afford a vacation or new car because of his mortgage payments.
We have the income from last season’s CL and if we want to get back in that competition next season we need to invest that money this season. Why do you keep making excuses for the board not spending what is required to build a competitive team.

We do not make 30m profit a year on food and drink.

We possibly reach 30m in sales, but certainly not profit. If that were the case then Levy would be buying pubs and not setting up a go-kart track.

Ghost Hardware · Jul 23, 2023

King of the Lane said:
Im sorry but we really should be buying VDV and Tapsoba without selling Kane. If Kane goes then I would hope at minimum we would sign a good replacement striker and possibly at a stretch get a RWF to come in.

Agree, if we sell our only truly world class player who’s one of the top 3 forwards in the world and do not replace him with someone of true quality, be that another CF or WF, and end up spreading the money across the team including defence then the that would be incredibly underwhelming. We should be bringing in both defenders regardless of Kane and whilst I realise Kane is not someone we can replace we should still be looking for someone with world class potential to come in even if that means spending 80 or 90 mil.

Spursmatty87 · Jul 23, 2023

sidford said:
I'm 40 so I've seen 2 world class players live in person one being bale (2012-13 season) and Kane (last 6 years).
God knows when we'll get another one and we all know we won't be buying a ready made one so want to enjoy the hell out of him for one last season.

Berba, son, modric, Vdv Toby, Jan, Dele, Eriksen, Dembele, Ledley Lloris All were world class for a period of time in a spurs shirt so let’s not be over dramatic

sidford · Jul 23, 2023

Ron Burgundy said:
It raises an interesting point though - what’s more important: seeing world class players, or watching better teams?

For us, they could (not saying will, but hypothetically) be mutually exclusive.

I sort of feel we should sell Harry for the right price, as the collective would end up stronger, for longer.

But it’s just a personal view

This isn't the old days where we had ginola (not world class but way ahead of most in league) and pretty much shite around him. Kane has much better players around him so we can have a world class player in a very good team

Cel · Jul 23, 2023

Spursmatty87 said:
Berba, son, modric, Vdv Toby, Jan, Dele, Eriksen, Dembele, Ledley Lloris All were world class for a period of time in a spurs shirt so let’s not be over dramatic

Or, 'World-Class' Has no specific, defined meaning - these chats always go round in circles, as that bar is set at different heights for different people. For me, it's like the top 5-10 players in the world, which most of those comfortably weren't. As someone more wise than me once said - onions, innit.

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