Harry Kane

Reece_Spurs · Jul 21, 2023

The whole "Kane won't sign a new contract" headline is just clickbait bollocks.

Not saying it's not true, just worded this way purely for clicks.

2 years ago when Levy quite rightly refused to even listen to City for anything less that £150m, the club had all the power, Kane had 3 years left on his contract and after some poor advice and decisions, quickly realised his sulking wasn't working and only harming his rep and relationship with the fans.

2 years later, with 1 year left, Kane now holds all the power, he won't push a move abroad as he knows that didn't work last time.

No way he'll sign a new contract with us this summer, just doesn't make sense from a Kane perspective, that doesn't mean he won't between now and January, but if you were him, why put all your eggs in the Spurs basket before even seeing how the club invests this summer and getting to know the new manager?

My personal hunch is he won't move this summer window, the club will slap a massive new contract on his lap with certain get out clauses/perks for the future. He'll sit on that contract and see how things are going up until January then properly assess his own situation. Let's not forget in January any club can offer him a contract that he can agree to and move for a free next summer, so if he stays this summer, he's going to have ALOT of decisions to make come January.

west indie · Jul 21, 2023

Smokinhotspur said:
The most important factor is whether the player wants to move. Levy could accept whatever fee he wants and Kane can still reject the move. I don't think he has any genuine interest in going abroad with Shearer's record firmly in his sights. Unless the club is willing to sell to another English club this summer which looks unlikely, looks like he is playing the long game to run down the contract and then decide where he wants to play IN ENGLAND next season.

Harry is Spurs all time top scorer in the league, he was willing to forego that status, with Greaves record in touching distance Smokinhotspur in order to join City.

Sometimes it feels like the Shearer's prem record is the last roll of the dice we as fans have, for us to convince ourselves on him not going, Bayern are one of the elite names in European football and want him for the Champions League, Son twice this summer shut down the Saudi links, yet Harry is nowhere to be seen with the air of uncertainty hovering around the club, which is his right of course.

We are in the midst of building foundations with Ange, Harry is at the stage of competing at the top and winning trophies.

rawhide · Jul 21, 2023

Ben1 said:
Didn’t spend a penny in January though if Porro doesn’t count

Oh I agree, and we should be able to spend more, sales notwithstanding. I’m just tired of people saying we haven’t spent much this summer, just because they want to ignore the Porro and Kulu fees.

I’m literally making this exact point on another thread where someone is saying that our net spend is about £66m when it’s actually around double that.

worcestersauce · Jul 21, 2023

I keep coming back to the question is it acceptable for a club, or any business, to allow an avoidable loss of £70,000,000 damaging the immediate and possibly the long term good of the club? Honestly Kane clearly has no intention of signing a new contract and appears to be willing to go to Bayern Munich so it is downright financial mismanagement not to say negligence to not take the money, everything else is gambling with what pretty much amounts to a season's transfer budget. Would anyone on here accept us not bringing in any upgrades next summer because we lost the £70 million on a bet that didn't come in?

alfie103 · Jul 21, 2023

rawhide said:
As of a few days ago we were apparently the 3rd highest spenders in Europe having spent something like £126m. I’m assuming that includes the Porro and Kulu fees.

The problem isn't the amount of money we have spent, the problem is the fact we spent this on a number of players for relatively moderate fees. We have focused on quantity over quality.

alfie103 · Jul 21, 2023

worcestersauce said:
I keep coming back to the question is it acceptable for a club, or any business, to allow an avoidable loss of £70,000,000 damaging the immediate and possibly the long term good of the club? Honestly Kane clearly has no intention of signing a new contract and appears to be willing to go to Bayern Munich so it is downright financial mismanagement not to say negligence to not take the money, everything else is gambling with what pretty much amounts to a season's transfer budget. Would anyone on here accept us not bringing in any upgrades next summer because we lost the £70 million on a bet that didn't come in?

Well I would have thought we could manage this as we are one the richest clubs in the world or are we still having to sell to buy?

chelmyid · Jul 21, 2023

worcestersauce said:
I keep coming back to the question is it acceptable for a club, or any business, to allow an avoidable loss of £70,000,000 damaging the immediate and possibly the long term good of the club? Honestly Kane clearly has no intention of signing a new contract and appears to be willing to go to Bayern Munich so it is downright financial mismanagement not to say negligence to not take the money, everything else is gambling with what pretty much amounts to a season's transfer budget. Would anyone on here accept us not bringing in any upgrades next summer because we lost the £70 million on a bet that didn't come in?

Your question is exactly where I’m at - and levy is a shrewd businessman first and foremost (at the detriment to the football side) therefore I always come back to the same answer

rawhide · Jul 21, 2023

alfie103 said:
The problem isn't the amount of money we have spent, the problem is the fact we spent this on a number of players for relatively moderate fees. We have focused on quantity over quality.

Please feel free to enlighten us.

Vicario
Maddison
Solomon - free

Porro
Kulu

2 already playing for the club, a creative England International, a young, hungry GK who earned rave reviews last season and someone who we didn’t pay a fee for. Where are all the non-quality players you speak of?

TheWook · Jul 21, 2023

Reece_Spurs said:
The whole "Kane won't sign a new contract" headline is just clickbait bollocks.

Not saying it's not true, just worded this way purely for clicks.

2 years ago when Levy quite rightly refused to even listen to City for anything less that £150m, the club had all the power, Kane had 3 years left on his contract and after some poor advice and decisions, quickly realised his sulking wasn't working and only harming his rep and relationship with the fans.

2 years later, with 1 year left, Kane now holds all the power, he won't push a move abroad as he knows that didn't work last time.

No way he'll sign a new contract with us this summer, just doesn't make sense from a Kane perspective, that doesn't mean he won't between now and January, but if you were him, why put all your eggs in the Spurs basket before even seeing how the club invests this summer and getting to know the new manager?

My personal hunch is he won't move this summer window, the club will slap a massive new contract on his lap with certain get out clauses/perks for the future. He'll sit on that contract and see how things are going up until January then properly assess his own situation. Let's not forget in January any club can offer him a contract that he can agree to and move for a free next summer, so if he stays this summer, he's going to have ALOT of decisions to make come January.

No English club can until 1 month before his contract expires.

sundanceyid10 · Jul 21, 2023

rawhide said:
Please feel free to enlighten us.

Vicario
Maddison
Solomon - free

Porro
Kulu

2 already playing for the club, a creative England International, a young, hungry GK who earned rave reviews last season and someone who we didn’t pay a fee for. Where are all the non-quality players you speak of?

Maybe he means not just this season , i’m not sure. But in general I do agree we have had a tendency to go for quantity over quality.

alfie103 · Jul 21, 2023

Well the keeper earned rave reviews in Serie A but is unproven in the PL and is young so there will be doubts over him as this is reflected in the relatively low amount of 17 million for a transfer fee. Maddison is a good signing no doubt. Solomon seems to me to be an opportunistic buy as we could get him cheaply and is worth a punt.

The player you could argue that has consistently shown they are a quality player is Maddison and Kulusevski (though he wasn't great coming towards the end of the season). I don't think the rest have really shown themselves to be quality players in the Premier League.

alfie103 · Jul 21, 2023

sundanceyid10 said:
Maybe he means not just this season , i’m not sure. But in general I do agree we have had a tendency to go for quantity over quality.

Yes I meant in general sense. We don't really go for proven top quality players.

jbstarr14 · Jul 21, 2023

Repeating myself here, but if he doesn’t go this summer, we don’t have him for next season, we have him until January - at best.

No chance he plays at 100% for the second half of the season. He’s not going to risk doing his ACL, a hamstring, or something similar giving everything for a club he’s leaving in a few months.

Reece_Spurs · Jul 21, 2023

worcestersauce said:
I keep coming back to the question is it acceptable for a club, or any business, to allow an avoidable loss of £70,000,000 damaging the immediate and possibly the long term good of the club? Honestly Kane clearly has no intention of signing a new contract and appears to be willing to go to Bayern Munich so it is downright financial mismanagement not to say negligence to not take the money, everything else is gambling with what pretty much amounts to a season's transfer budget. Would anyone on here accept us not bringing in any upgrades next summer because we lost the £70 million on a bet that didn't come in?

Bits in bold are just guess work though.

He might like to see how we progress under Ange before he commits to a new contract.

Does he really want to go to Bayern or is it his management pushing it?

None of us really know lets be honest.

Last bolded bit, why wouldn't we have any money next summer even if we lost Kane on a free? We are the 3rd most money generating company in all of sports in all of the world FFS. Don't tell me we won't or shouldn't have a very good transfer budget every year.

hughy · Jul 21, 2023

jbstarr14 said:
Repeating myself here, but if he doesn’t go this summer, we don’t have him for next season, we have him until January - at best.

No chance he plays at 100% for the second half of the season. He’s not going to risk doing his ACL, a hamstring, or something similar giving everything for a club he’s leaving in a few months.

I don't for a second see Kane as someone who would take his foot off the pedal, particularly if he's chasing records. Plus he will want to stay sharp for the Euro's. England are among the favourites, might be his best chance to win a major international honour.

jbstarr14 · Jul 21, 2023

hughy said:
I don't for a second see Kane as someone who would take his foot off the pedal, particularly if he's chasing records. Plus he will want to stay sharp for the Euro's. England are among the favourites, might be his best chance to win a major international honour.

If there’s a 500k p/w contract waiting for him in June, there’s no way he jeopardises that. Maybe not consciously, but it will be there in the back of his mind, and it will affect him.

barry · Jul 21, 2023

Getting money, and space, so they can offer us what we want? I think so

RuskyM · Jul 21, 2023

I'm not sure Kane knows how to down tools. Even when he's bad he's good.

Guntz · Jul 21, 2023

barry said:
Getting money, and space, so they can offer us what we want? I think so

They must be confident in signing a striker or two.

They desperately wanted one, even if Mane stayed.

Led's Zeppelin · Jul 21, 2023

worcestersauce said:
I keep coming back to the question is it acceptable for a club, or any business, to allow an avoidable loss of £70,000,000 damaging the immediate and possibly the long term good of the club? Honestly Kane clearly has no intention of signing a new contract and appears to be willing to go to Bayern Munich so it is downright financial mismanagement not to say negligence to not take the money, everything else is gambling with what pretty much amounts to a season's transfer budget. Would anyone on here accept us not bringing in any upgrades next summer because we lost the £70 million on a bet that didn't come in?

No, it’s not mismanagement.

We don’t know all the facts, for a start.

But we do know he has a year to go if he stays. And that the club has a year to try to come up with a deal to persuade him to sign a new deal.

Are those two things worth £70m or whatever the correct figure is? That’s a matter of judgement but it’s valid for the board to take the view that , like every transfer, it’s a risk worth taking.

To dare and all that!

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