Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

EastLondonYid · Mar 20, 2023

Judging by our results when Conte was away recently, I wouldn't think it would really derail us as much as is being mooted.
Maybe that was a clue we missed that all is not well with him and the team.
Get rid I say, and in the summer we need a massive reboot, even if it means finishing mid table, clear out all the dross, car boot sale style.
Keep
Destiny, Porro , Romero,Spence, Bissouma,Sarr,Skipp, Bentacur,Kulu, Kane ,Forster as no 2
Everyone else is up for discussion

Spursfan1414 · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

And it's always "these players" and never "specifically player A, B and C", because the moment you start throwing names out you realise it's all bollocks.

Rout-Ledge · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

It’s notable that whenever people are asked to identify specific players rather than talk in generalisations they struggle to come up with anything beyond one or two names.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

Yeah I said the same earlier, it's actually unreal and so lazy.

Mandela effect in action.

mmidgers · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

I don't think it's the individuals. The club seems to have a culture where good enough is fine. It's like the club isn't committed to really challenging and it's rubbing off on the group

RuskyM · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

easley91 · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

The players may have changed, but the mentality has always been the same. Why do you think "Spursy" or "Dr Tottenham" is a thing? It doesn't matter who the manager is, or what players come in, it seems to always happen regardless. Every squad we have had in recent years have let down their managers. The managers were undoubtedly at fault too, but the players do have a massive part to play as well.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 20, 2023

davidmatzdorf said:
This - and nearly all the other posts in this discussion - is still looking at the problem as being a matter of individual players. That misses Conte's main point, which is easily discerned in among the ranting and fury.

He cannot induce the squad to play as a team. He cannot induce the whole club to function as a team. They continue to be a collection of high-quality, disparate individuals. I'm going to propose that, player for player, our squad is every bit as good as Arsenal's. They have more youth; we have more experience and a world-class striker. Th difference is that Arteta, having been furnished with the time to fail by the Arsenal board, worked his way through that time and built a team that plays as a team.

It's not true that Spurs have never had that. We achieved it under Pochettino, during three seasons between 2015 and 2018. The way our players would speak of each other was very redolent of how Bukayo Saka spoke of his teammates after this weekend's Arsenal win.

Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Rose were admirable players, but they formed a defensive unit that was greater than the sum of their talents. The same applied to whichever permutation of Eriksen, Dembélé, Wanyama, Dier etc., populated the midfield. That's how we finished 2nd and that's how we got to a CL final. By having a team.

Until people here stop reflexively returning the discussion to individual signings and the [de]merits of our individual players, we won't diagnose this correctly. We haven't had a proper team since Pochettino left. We've had talented players who gel occasionally.

Great post

mmidgers · Mar 20, 2023

easley91 said:
The players may have changed, but the mentality has always been the same. Why do you think "Spursy" or "Dr Tottenham" is a thing? It doesn't matter who the manager is, or what players come in, it seems to always happen regardless. Every squad we have had in recent years have let down their managers. The managers were undoubtedly at fault too, but the players do have a massive part to play as well.

That's what I'm trying to say. I've got bad concussion so lol

CerfBlanc · Mar 20, 2023

Spursfan1414 said:
And it's always "these players" and never "specifically player A, B and C", because the moment you start throwing names out you realise it's all bollocks.

That's because the only players that still are here from Poch's early days is the likes of Kane, Son and Lloris. Probably the most professional players we have at the club!

Albertbarich · Mar 20, 2023

mmidgers said:
What's your suggestion?

It's the coaches job to build a team and discipline lazy players, bad apples, people who don't follow his instructions.

People keep saying we're not a team but if the players are as bad as you think he should be making their life hell and not playing them.

Last time we had a team do you remember what Poch did? Ask Andros Townsend what happened. Look at those early Poch teamsheets, he showed real bollocks in dropping loads of big name player's. There is more chance of me being Spurs manager than Conte doing that.

Our issues are multi faceted but I don't think for one second players bad/coach good. Both sides will have flaws and it's his job to navigate them.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Mar 20, 2023

easley91 said:
The players may have changed, but the mentality has always been the same. Why do you think "Spursy" or "Dr Tottenham" is a thing? It doesn't matter who the manager is, or what players come in, it seems to always happen regardless. Every squad we have had in recent years have let down their managers. The managers were undoubtedly at fault too, but the players do have a massive part to play as well.

I disagree. A weaker group of players achieved a top 4 finish last season after winning 9/11 of their remaining fixtures. The squad strengthened and Conte has made them play worse by being stubborn, predictable with poor team selections and completely inflexible with his tactics. He has also created instability by refusing to commit to the club and the players in the long run.

The players certainly let Pochettino down but the current situation we find ourselves in is Conte’s fault.

mmidgers · Mar 20, 2023

Albertbarich said:
It's the coaches job to build a team and discipline lazy players, bad apples, people who don't follow his instructions.

People keep saying we're not a team but if the players are as bad as you think he should be making their life hell and not playing them.

Last time we had a team do you remember what Poch did? Ask Andros Townsend what happened. Look at those early Poch teamsheets, he showed real bollocks in dropping loads of big name player's. There is more chance of me being Spurs manager than Conte doing that.

Our issues are multi faceted but I don't think for one second players bad/coach good. Both sides will have flaws and it's his job to navigate them.

I don't think the players are bad on an individual basis, it's a collective mentality that permeates the club. I have no idea how to change something like that, but it would probably have to start at the top and the club would have to be real about trying to win things, instead to the to 4 trophy

funkycoldmedina · Mar 20, 2023

spurs mental said:
Yes. Because some of them are far too comfortable here. Some of them have underperformed af

For the love of Spurs said:

If it was players downing tools for one manager I would be more sympathetic. It’s not it’s now 4 in a row. The club is rotten and the manager is the most easily moveable piece but not the piece that is going to fix the problems.

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Who are these players who have downed tools for 4 managers? It keeps getting repeated ad nauseum but I watch us every week and have no idea who they are

SargeantMeatCurtains · Mar 20, 2023

spursfan77 said:
A guy from the THST was just on SSN. Thought he hit the nail on the head quite a lot. I didn’t agree with everything he said but he came across quite well. If he’s part of the new board then I’m glad to have him on there. Didn’t sound a complete prat.

This doesn’t fit Levy’s criteria therefore he will be nowhere near the Tottenham board.

Japhet · Mar 20, 2023

philll said:
He has to be, I don't understand the hesitance. Putting Conte's little tantrum the other day (which on its own surely made his position instantly untenable) to one side, if Levy thinks we're getting top 4 with this coach and this style of football, especially away from home, he's even more clueless about "the football side" than I thought. Levy should've acted after we got dumped out of the CL and FA Cup, it's probably too late now.

Sacking Conte while he was on the operating table having his gall bladder removed would have quite easily surpassed sacking Martin Jol in the middle of a match.

H-SF · Mar 20, 2023

davidmatzdorf said:
This - and nearly all the other posts in this discussion - is still looking at the problem as being a matter of individual players. That misses Conte's main point, which is easily discerned in among the ranting and fury.

He cannot induce the squad to play as a team. He cannot induce the whole club to function as a team. They continue to be a collection of high-quality, disparate individuals. I'm going to propose that, player for player, our squad is every bit as good as Arsenal's. They have more youth; we have more experience and a world-class striker. Th difference is that Arteta, having been furnished with the time to fail by the Arsenal board, worked his way through that time and built a team that plays as a team.

It's not true that Spurs have never had that. We achieved it under Pochettino, during three seasons between 2015 and 2018. The way our players would speak of each other was very redolent of how Bukayo Saka spoke of his teammates after this weekend's Arsenal win.

Walker, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Rose were admirable players, but they formed a defensive unit that was greater than the sum of their talents. The same applied to whichever permutation of Eriksen, Dembélé, Wanyama, Dier etc., populated the midfield. That's how we finished 2nd and that's how we got to a CL final. By having a team.

Until people here stop reflexively returning the discussion to individual signings and the [de]merits of our individual players, we won't diagnose this correctly. We haven't had a proper team since Pochettino left. We've had talented players who gel occasionally.

It's quite literally Conte's job (which he is paid 15m a year to do) to make us play as a team. It's his poor coaching that is making us look like a bunch of disconnected albeit high quality individual footballers. If he can't 'induce the squad to play as a team' he should be sacked, simple as. Yes it's a two way street and the players have responsibility but he's previously talked of how much he enioys working with the squad and praised their mentality/work ethic. Suprise surpise things have gone pear shaped and so he's turned on them (not totally unfairly) for his own self-preservation.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 20, 2023

parj said:
ETH is literally undoing 7 managers worth of rubbish. Since Fergie left, every manager has been wrong and didn't follow the way Fergie played. ETH is undoing it and in a very small amount of time. ETH already has Man Utd playing much better. He even fixed Rashford and Fred. Do you think Conte would have fixed Rashford and Fred? Is Conte playing with any kind of style?

Man Utd have shown you can spend all the money in the world but if you have the wrong manager playing the wrong system and buying the wrong players then you won't achieve the success you want. ETH is buying players that can actually be used by any manager that employs a similar style. In the last 10 years, their league performance hasn't been much better than ours - 5 top 4 finishes and only two title challenges.... That's not good enough for a team that in the previous 10 years won 5 league titles.

ETH will build the foundation like Klopp and Pep did, it's then how they build on it. But nobody can deny that Man Utd look a lot better than they have in a long time bar a few blip results.

Great point and shows what such a huge difference the right manager can make.

Trix · Mar 20, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Nothing winds me up more currently than seeing people say “these players” have let down our last 4 managers. They’re an entirely different group of players FFS.

Some of them aren't, and it's easy to adopt a culture the more time you are around it.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Mar 20, 2023

Japhet said:
Sacking Conte while he was on the operating table having his gall bladder removed would have quite easily surpassed sacking Martin Jol in the middle of a match.

I wouldn’t say easily surpassed. I’d argue Jol progressed this club more so than any manager in our recent history. Arguably even Poch. What Levy did to him was truly unforgivable.

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