Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

chas vs dave · Mar 19, 2023

Jamturk said:
How is it a failure?

We are competing at the top, not winning anything is unfortunate but sometimes happens in sport.

There are still bigger and better clubs than us for various reasons.

This is in no way a failure.

Agreed. Arguably, we are the only club who have been able to drag ourselves into constant European qualification without external funding.

However, we, as a club are now in a glass ceiling. Due to many issues. It's frustrating.

Russ1201 · Mar 19, 2023

Clockspur said:
Since 2017 we’ve signed 2 CB’s - Joe Rodon and Romero.

Thats why Dier still plays and Davies is still having to fill in at LCB.

Jose wanted Skriniar, we signed Rodon

Conte wanted Bastoni or Gvardiol, we signed Lenglet on loan

Poch said be brave - Poch got sacked

AVB got a record points total, had to sell Bale and then watch the money get pissed up the wall - AVB got sacked

Jol brought European football, self belief, dignity and the good times back - got sacked at half time in a game we won 5/6-0

1 League cup in 23 years gents - Levy is a first rate loser.

The new broom will come in and we will have the usual transfer shenanigans this summer - chase Gvardiol/Osimhen/Maddison, sign Dawson/Maupay/Longstaff. Then 2 years from now the new broom will be sacked for calling Levy a cock

100% spot on.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 19, 2023

cjsimba said:
Yes, I was banging on about this last night. That presser was purely directed at the players, not Levy.

He might be frustrated with Levy too and desperate to call him out, but he didn’t in that interview last night.

Yep. He definitely throws a few strays at the club but majority of his rage is about the players not showing the right mentality to succeed.

I actually love this rant ngl.

jolsnogross · Mar 19, 2023

cjsimba said:
Yes, I was banging on about this last night. That presser was purely directed at the players, not Levy.

He might be frustrated with Levy too and desperate to call him out, but he didn’t in that interview last night.

No chance. He spoke about 20 years of ownership and winning nothing. And that managers throughout that time shouldn't be solely to blame. The current players haven't been there for 20 years. He went in on Levy and he was right to.

And it would be cowardly to back off that now

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Mar 19, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
This is is exactly what invalidates Conte’s arguments. He’s basically saying “I hate them all, but I’m gonna pick them again and again anyway! ”

That's where im at.

Whilst i like Conte speaking out and there is some truth in what he says, he is acting like he has no power or control as manager.

The reality is those who are 'selfish' or aren't working for the team should be dropped until they either get the message or are shipped out.

The only caveat to that in Contes defense would be our centre back situation.

But when we see the likes of Son not performing all season and being picked or when we see our formation not working and our manager not changing things you know he is not right for the club.

cockerel downunder · Mar 19, 2023

Japhet said:
The truly elite managers (imo) are the ones who can wring every last ounce out of their squad. Brian Clough took a bunch of journeymen and rejects to the European Cup. Ferguson built a dynasty around a bunch of youth players and then added elements to that until he could afford to buy who he liked. In our case, Pochettino had us punching way above our weight for years, and nobody has done that since - in fact, quite the opposite.

Apparently the biggest predictor of results is wage bill. We had 7th highest wage bill when poch took over, so yes he clearly punched above our weight. We now have 5th highest so conte is more or less on par.

I’d say there’s 2 kinds of good manager, those who can get a team playing greater than the sum of its parts (often eventually imploding) snd those who can take a top 3 squad and manage the pressure, egos etc and win things in line with expectations.

both require rare ability and both have huge value, but are different skill sets.

levy thought we were ready to move to the second type now we have the stadium revenue and players like ksne & son, but due to the huge wealth of other clubs the reality is we still need the first kind.

Liverpool got this right, combining big & smart investment with a greater than the sum of their parts manager.

we need to find a klopp plus a vvd and an Alison !! Simple !!

cjsimba · Mar 19, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Alasdair Gold:

“Conte is understood to have clarified his comments to the board after the game and indicated that they were aimed solely at the players.”

Incredible

He wasn’t saying this group of players are responsible for 20 years of failure. He was saying that when the no trophies in 20 years stat gets brought up it’s always either a) the club or b) the manager that gets the blame. But why do the players always get off blame free.

He was actually almost defending the owners and saying at some point the players on the pitch actually have to be held responsible for this constant underachievement.

I wish everyone would actually watch the interview in full and stop reading the quotes out of context. I bet Conte does blame Levy too -and is incredibly frustrated with his penny pinching ways, but in that interview last night he was calling out the players of the club solely and saying it can’t always be the club or managers fault.

I was fully expecting Conte to clarify that this morning and looks like he has.

muppetman · Mar 19, 2023

cjsimba said:
He wasn’t saying this group of players are responsible for 20 years of failure. He was saying that when the no trophies in 20 years stat gets brought up it’s always either a) the club or b) the manager that gets the blame. But why do the players always get off blame free.

He was actually almost defending the owners and saying at some point the players on the pitch actually have to be held responsible for this constant underachievement.

I wish everyone would actually watch the interview in full and stop reading the quotes out of context. I bet Conte does blame Levy too -and is incredibly frustrated with him penny pinching ways, but in that interview last night he was calling out the players of the club solely and saying it can’t always be the club or managers fault.

I was fully expecting Conte to clarify that this morning and looks like he has.

People hear what they want.

spurs-r-us · Mar 19, 2023

rossdapep said:
We sign 2 big CBs and RWB in the summer and thats his base settled and he raises the standards of the team..

How on earth were we meant to spend another £200m on top of what we already spent? Get in the real world. If Conte can't manage a team with anything less than what would be close to the best team in the world, then he should never have come here.

chrisd2k · Mar 19, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Conte protecting his image? To what end? Do people seriously think he gives a rats arse about that? His reputation will remain intact and he'll be a sought after manager regardless of anything that happens at a club that are specialists in failure. The inner world of football is a LOT more pragmatic than the highly strung state of a clubs fans.

Yeah I do because his ego needs needs it. Not so much protecting his image, more his ego.

cjsimba · Mar 19, 2023

guiltyparty said:
It’s aimed at the players primarily but there’s plenty of slagging off the club and the owners. Last 20 years has nothing to do with current players and completely undercuts any point he’s trying to make

People see what they want to see. This was a combustion and a lashing out at everything, and as such is virtually useless as any kind of motivation

He wasn’t saying the current players are responsible for all the past 20 years. He was saying in that time only the club and manager ever get the blame. Whereas he thinks the players have to take the blame.

His whole interview needs to be listened to to get this, not just the out of context quotes that have come out.

Im not for one second defending Levy as I want him out of the club yesterday, but anyone thinking Conte was aiming all this anger at Levy in that particular presser yesterday isn’t listening to the interview properly.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Mar 19, 2023

RuskyM said:
Hahahahha but he’s calling out decades of failure from the top?

Bellend

That 20 years comment can be read as him saying it can’t always be the manager and owner who take responsibility. The players need to take responsibility as well. He was trying to say he has seen good managers at spurs but the players continually let them down.

I’m not sure I completely agree but I think that was the point he was trying to make.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Mar 19, 2023

cjsimba said:
He wasn’t saying this group of players are responsible for 20 years of failure. He was saying that when the no trophies in 20 years stat gets brought up it’s always either a) the club or b) the manager that gets the blame. But why do the players always get off blame free.

He was actually almost defending the owners and saying at some point the players on the pitch actually have to be held responsible for this constant underachievement.

I wish everyone would actually watch the interview in full and stop reading the quotes out of context. I bet Conte does blame Levy too -and is incredibly frustrated with him penny pinching ways, but in that interview last night he was calling out the players of the club solely and saying it can’t always be the club or managers fault.

I was fully expecting Conte to clarify that this morning and looks like he has.

muppetman said:
People hear what they want.

You’re arguing with yourselves. I never said he was targeting the board. I simply said it was predictable the club would feed Alasdair Gold some bollocks to calm the baying mob of Spurs fans - which is exactly what they’ve done.

cjsimba · Mar 19, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
You’re arguing with yourselves. I never said he was targeting the board. I simply said it was predictable the club would feed Alasdair Gold some bollocks to calm the baying mob of Spurs fans - which is exactly what they’ve done.

Fair enough SMC. Wasn’t solely directing it at you, more everyone (including journos) who have quickly concluded Conte has attacked the owners and club with the interview, without properly listening to the full interview.

spurs-r-us · Mar 19, 2023

chrisd2k said:
No. A lot of the players stayed at Juve to get them back. Also, especially in that period, the league was dog shit and no team really had a penny to spend due to their bubble bursting financially. Juve still had more financial backing than most, not saying they were making mega deals but they didn't need to to get ahead

They kept Buffon, Chiellini, Del Piero, Nedved, Marchisio, Trezeguet, Camoranesi, Zalayeta in Serie B, and OP called them "mediocre" with a straight face :LOL:

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mmidgers · Mar 19, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Yep. He definitely throws a few strays at the club but majority of his rage is about the players not showing the right mentality to succeed.

I actually love this rant ngl.

It's about time too

RuskyM · Mar 19, 2023

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
That 20 years comment can be read as him saying it can’t always be the manager and owner who take responsibility. The players need to take responsibility as well. He was trying to say he has seen good managers at spurs but the players continually let them down.

I’m not sure I completely agree but I think that was the point he was trying to make.

What this presupposes is the players are defended, which they clearly have not been. Or if it’s the same players - read Dier, Davies, Sanchez, who are cited even in games they don’t play - and ignore Kane, who’s also been there consistently.

The fans have vocally backed Antonio and not the board, and the fans have clearly questioned the players. All this is is a manager deflecting.

I really don’t remember the players being questioned when we went on that run last season: nor their mentality of winning being questioned when we kept coming from behind.

Clockspur · Mar 19, 2023

DanielJohnCosta said:
so are we signing players that seem to have this exact same issue as the players we already have at the club? the starting 11 is almost completely different to when Poch was sacked, are the players conte wanted to be signed also suffering from this strange issue? I'm really confused

Completely different - Loris, Dier, Son, Skipp , Davies and Kane that’s 55% the same. I include Lloris as he has played more than Forster this season.

not in a million years could you say that’s completely different

Monkey boy · Mar 19, 2023

He’s basically called the players cowards which is what the majority of this forum has called them for years now. They don’t like pressure, they can’t handle pressure which makes them losers, it’s that simple.

YB123 · Mar 19, 2023

Monkey boy said:
He’s basically called the players cowards which is what the majority of this forum has called them for years now. They don’t like pressure, they can’t handle pressure which makes them losers, it’s that simple.

Aint it strange we see the same comments on here about these players and Levy but when the manager says what we've all felt in pubic, its a disgrace.

Unprofessional? Yes
Agree with the comments? Bigger Yes

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