Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 18, 2023

parj said:
But managers are important. Klopp proves it. Salah, Mane and Firmino were not world class players. Poch proved that.

Liverpool did not turn into a contender until they went out and bought Alisson and VVD.

And if Klopp, by himself, is enough to win - how is it that he is behind Conte - this season?

slartibartfast · Mar 18, 2023

mattspur1986 said:
It does make me wonder what players he is alluding to as being “selfish” etc - and if he truly thinks this about them, why is he constantly selecting them?
What he said is 100% true. Club is rotten to its very core!

This is what will be funny if he isnt sacked, seeing who is missing from the next 11 because I'd be amazed if it wasnt exactly the same.

thebenjamin · Mar 18, 2023

NickHSpurs said:
I actually typed another big reply and then just deleted it, I just can’t with this bullshit anymore. I don’t care if it’s Contes fault or the boards, they’re all ****s.

Pretty good summation

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 18, 2023

Hearing the hunt for the next manager/patsy is already underway. Levy has narrowed it down to two choices and to decide, he's playing rock, paper, scissors.

With himself.

The score currently stands at 352 each.

Clockspur · Mar 18, 2023

easley91 said:
Conte isn't blameless by any means, however he is right on the money. Doesn't matter who the manager is, things never change. They may improve for a little bit, but then somehow these players revert back to type.

To those who say he should play others and drop the likes of Dier etc. Who you playing instead? Sanchez? Tanganga? I thought they weren't good enough and needed to be sold?

He barely makes changes, because we don't have the quality in depth to do so. We have the numbers, but those squad players for the most part can't be trusted. Something a lot of you say and moan about whenever you see them starting a game.

Since 2017 we’ve signed 2 CB’s - Joe Rodon and Romero.

Thats why Dier still plays and Davies is still having to fill in at LCB.

Jose wanted Skriniar, we signed Rodon

Conte wanted Bastoni or Gvardiol, we signed Lenglet on loan

Poch said be brave - Poch got sacked

AVB got a record points total, had to sell Bale and then watch the money get pissed up the wall - AVB got sacked

Jol brought European football, self belief, dignity and the good times back - got sacked at half time in a game we won 5/6-0

1 League cup in 23 years gents - Levy is a first rate loser.

The new broom will come in and we will have the usual transfer shenanigans this summer - chase Gvardiol/Osimhen/Maddison, sign Dawson/Maupay/Longstaff. Then 2 years from now the new broom will be sacked for calling Levy a cock

Clockspur · Mar 18, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Hearing the hunt for the next manager/patsy is already underway. Levy has narrowed it down to two choices and to decide, he's playing rock, paper, scissors.

With himself.

The score currently stands at 352 each.

Contes formation

parj · Mar 19, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Liverpool did not turn into a contender until they went out and bought Alisson and VVD.

And if Klopp, by himself, is enough to win - how is it that he is behind Conte - this season?

I never said a manager by himself. I said a manager is important because they utilise what they have and improve on it with coaching and buying players. Conte does the buying only. Klopp coaches

Archibald&Crooks · Mar 19, 2023

Clockspur said:
Contes formation

Ironic huh?

Clockspur · Mar 19, 2023

Enron would have done a better job than Enic

Cornpattbuck · Mar 19, 2023

parj said:
Skipp has been benched for most of the season even when PEH was struggling. He only got the nod properly once there was no other options. He hasn't made Skipp a better player in any way. The only way Skipp gets ahead of PEH is if Conte signed him for £80m

He was coming back from injury...

Clockspur · Mar 19, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Ironic huh?

A little too ironic, don’t ya think

parj · Mar 19, 2023

Cornpattbuck said:
He was coming back from injury...

4 games at the beginning of the season. Literally the first 4 games

Trix · Mar 19, 2023

Cornpattbuck said:
He was coming back from injury...

Indeed and he was playing him prior to his injury.

nailsy · Mar 19, 2023

mattspur1986 said:
It does make me wonder what players he is alluding to as being “selfish” etc - and if he truly thinks this about them, why is he constantly selecting them?
What he said is 100% true. Club is rotten to its very core!

That's what I've been wondering. Looking at the line up I doubt it's the keeper, Davies went off injured & Porro is new.
Romero can be a bit stupid, but he's usually committed.
Dier ?
Lenglet?
Skipp - new to the first team, but looks a team player to me.
Hojbjerg?
Perisic?
Kulu? Came on as a sub and was then taken off. Doesn't look good for him?
Son?
Kane? Is he dropping deep despite Conte telling him to stay further forward?

I wonder how many of those players start the next game if he's still here.

parj · Mar 19, 2023

Trix said:
Indeed and he was playing him prior to his injury.

Oliver Skipp - Stats 22/23 (Detailed view)

Player stats of Oliver Skipp (Tottenham Hotspur) ➤ Goals ➤ Assists ➤ Matches played ➤ All performance data

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

First 4 games injured and then used sparingly.... If the recovery was that long winded, why was he a sub to bring on for a few minutes?

g_harry · Mar 19, 2023

cjsimba said:
I’ve rewatched and rewatched the presser and really think that it’s a full blown attack on the players, rather than Levy.

Throughout it he obviously has a go at the players’ attitudes, spirit and desire to win. He starts with it and keeps coming back to it.

Then when asked why the players are like this he starts to say it’s the Tottenham way and does highlight how Levy has not won any trophies in 20 years. But whilst you immediately think that’s a dig at Levy and the culture created at the club, straight after that he almost defends levy by saying, the blame for that always seems to lie either with the club (Levy) or the manager when really it’s the players attitudes which should be questioned as to why the club does not have more trophies in that time period and Conte can no longer hide this fact. The ‘other situation’ which he says gets protected in favour of blaming the manager is the attitude of the players.

I think the reference to the owner not winning anything in 20 years is leading people to put too much focus on the idea Conte is calling out Levy. I think he’s just referencing this to hammer home the point that for too long over the years the players at the club have been getting off without the blame they deserve, it’s always someone else’s fault apart from theirs.

This is then backed up at the end when answering who has to take responsibility, he directly says ‘not only is it the club’s responsibility and the manager’s responsibility, it has to be the players’ too.’ When he says that nothing will change even if the manager changes, again he’s calling out that the player’s attitudes have to change rather than directing anything at Levy to make a change in his approach.

Now I’m not saying Conte behind the scenes doesn’t think that Levy and the club need to act differently, but I honestly don’t think he’s calling them out in this particular interview. His anger in that presser is very much directed at the players and I think a lot of people praising Conte for calling out Levy specifically here have misinterpreted the target of his comments.

Watch it again:

Don't disagree but it starts at top of club and for me every manager that comes into Spurs fails, no way Poch, Mourinho, Cont are all wrong. Suggesting players get away with it as club will change manager first.

Levy was told in no uncertain terms by Poch - he ignored him, Levy needs to go ASAP.

robotsonic · Mar 19, 2023

I don't think that this time the public outburst is going to have whatever effect he desires, because if they are playing bored and confused and lacking in passion, then I can identify.

Footballer or otherwise, you're not going to be your best being asked to intentionally gimp yourself in how you go about your job, and get run through the mill every day of the week only for it to all be for nought because you're set up to fail as soon as it's matchday. It's this guy's job to instil the motivation and desire into the players and to get them to buy in to his "idea of football". I honestly don't know what he's suggesting the problem even is if not him, given he's had 18 months and we've gone backward. The squad is certainly better. If you can't find a way to get them playing, without really trying anything new, let's be honest, then just go.

Bluto Blutarsky · Mar 19, 2023

parj said:
I never said a manager by himself. I said a manager is important because they utilise what they have and improve on it with coaching and buying players. Conte does the buying only. Klopp coaches

So why isn't Klopp improving what he has at Liverpool?

Why is Potter making Chelsea worse?

Why has Arteta taken until his 4th season at Arsenal to start winning?

Why is that Pep only manages clubs at the top of the food-chain in each league?

How is Ancelotti succeeding at Real Madrid, but failed at Everton?

Managers play a far smaller role than the players. Get good players - and I guarantee you will have a "good" manager...

Hotspur33 · Mar 19, 2023

DarwinSpur said:
This was exactly my take watching the full presser right through. Especially the bit in bold.

Thing is the Spurs journos all in that room with him - particularly Jack Pitt-Brooke and the likes - all came out on socials and said it was a full blown attack on Levy. But it just wasn't. unless it was code? I like Jack Pitt-Brooke and Ally Gold but more and more I think they're terrible journos because most of the time their reporting their own takes not an objective analysis. They act more like fans than journos. They really need to up their game but in this day and age journalism has lost so much quality.

None of which is to say Conte has any right to say what he said without taking personal responsibility - it's just that his comments are being reported in a way that dont' match objective reality. The impression I'd been given siomply did not match what his actual words in live represented. (to me, and, obviously, you)

I’d also add, that for all the noise in the ‘next manager’ thread about Gallardo not speaking English, Conte is certainly one of the lesser fluent English speaking coaches in the PL.
So it’s not always easy to interpret him accurately.
What I would say is, managers that have criticised the club have often been relieved of their duties pretty swiftly. So it will be down to how Levy choses to interpret it.

Reece_Spurs · Mar 19, 2023

Trix said:
Is anybody saying that a managerial change won't make a difference?

I'm saying in the medium to long term it won't matter, because either the next appointment won't work at all, or they'll get frustrated and leave. We might pick up, and we might play a better brand of football but whilst Levy is in charge we will just keep going round in circles, and we still won't be putting any pots in the cabinet.

Just give up mate, you've given so much inside info, defended Levy, argued against Levy etc etc. People just don't get it.

Until Levy goes it's going to be the same old vicious circle.

If Jose and Conte couldn't get the exact players they wanted, no other manager will, and until we get a chairman thats willing to let the manager sign EXACTLY who they want we will forever be in this shitty shitty cycle of buying cheap sub par players for managers that wont play them then the manager leaves and the players still have 3+ years on their contract.

Rinse and repeat like we have for the last 15 years.

Atleast Conte has the fucking bollocks to call them out for it.

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