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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Trent Crimm

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I've already said my piece on that already. I don't think they understand elite managers require elite players. It's my view Levy and the rest of the anthill mob were hoping an elite manager would get more out of the deadwood and journeymen and they can't.

Levy logic..... spend 15 mil a season on a manager spend half the required amount on the squad.

bang on. Like milking the fuck out of the poch squad whilst it got tired and stale. yield curve management.
 

olliec

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I think a true elite manager is someone who shows both qualities (I’m not actually disagreeing with you) I feel that a truly elite manager is, at the top end able to manage big egos and get big name players to play their part in the wider team outside of just seeking personal glory - yet I also feel to be an elite manager you need to show that you are part of that machine, that you can make something work better than the sum of its parts either through motivation, or through recognising tactical changes that can be made to win games.

I agree though it isn’t as simple as someone who is a good manager at a lower club, doing well if they move higher though, Sean Dyche was a great manager for Burnley, but I couldn’t see him getting the required results at City for example.
Not even pep would get a tune out of this lot!
 

DenverSpur

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A bit staggered how many are supporting our manager coming out and saying “you are a small team” but I guess I’ve never really been into submissive roleplay.

He’s not doing it to help. He’s doing it to absolve himself.
That may be true but it’s about time someone at the club told the powers that be the truth. We are a small team. We are an embarrassment. Despite being a member of the Big 6 and being the 9th richest club in the world we’ve only won 1 trophy in 23 years !!! It’s 32 years since we last won the FA Cup. In any other industry a company that so obviously failed in their core activity for so long would have sacked their leadership years ago.
He’s only saying what we’ve known and said for years; football wise we are a horrendously badly run club.
 

Now it's Spursonal

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Isn’t he just corroborating them? Saying the usual bollocks about working harder etc. we’ve heard it all before.
Could be that simple tbf, but it reads to me like its a complete contradiction to Conte's quote. Saying the players are good enough to win, whereas Conte thinks the opposite.
 

Timberwolf

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God what a shambles.

Conte's right in one sense - the board are a bunch of bellends and them acting like a bunch of demented magpies is why we're in this mess - but he's also full of shit. We've brought in 9 players this season and got worse. People are talking about 'this group failing in big games over and over' but it's basically a different squad apart from Dier, Kane and Son, from the one that failed in years gone by.

I know he probably wanted players like Gvardiol/Bastoni, Casemiro, Skriniar and whatnot, but we've never been that club and, while Levy's probably sold him up the river as usual, he's still underperformed with the hand he's been dealt this season IMO.
 

Gassin's finest

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Levy is in such an impossible situation.

He can't really let Conte get away with saying that.

He can't sack him and then wait to the end of the season to install his preferred choice of manager. The risk of the toxicity being directed entirely on him over the next few months with Mason in charge would be far too great.

From his perspective, based entirely on self preservation, I can't see any other choice than getting in Poch right now.
Don't do this to me...
 

agrdavidsfan

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This doesn't make sense.

Pep wouldn't do nearly as well at some lower league clubs as their managers. He wouldn't be the right guy, because he needs top players for his system and tactics. Doesn't mean he's not an elite manager.

Similarly some lower league managers work wonders with their squads but would fail at City with all that that job demands.

They don't hire Pep to make up for shortcomings. They can basically buy anyone they want.
There's lots of reasons for this, coaches like to have moldable players.

Top coaches have moldable players but the system or man management can get that extra 10%, pep would struggle at a low level team as his way of coaching is so micro managing the players at the level would switch off or he would get frustrated at them not being able to do what he requires.

It's why I think these new generation coaches like potter who believe in repetition training are so clever and the way go in the future they think activating the bodies muscle memory and REM memory I think it is called where even under duress you can still carry out simple instructions and quick speed, it's why I don't think De Zerbi at Brighton is that good he's living off a bit of potters work but he's added a little tweak.

These managers can improve players at any level, I sag this as I know people who've worked with potter and are now involved in some circles I'm involved in and use some of his methods it's super repeitive but it trains the mind so well, I've watched a young boy come on leaps under this style of coaching where he carries out the same run pass and turn then they keep doing it until it's game specific adding stages and it's insane to watch the change, as then no matter what level the player is playing at he's able to just do what he needs to do at high level every time as it's natural after about 12-14 months one great we example of this kind of player is Pascal Gross not a stand out player but potters methods brought him on 30% same with Trossard now Arteta has added 5% more.
 

Monkey boy

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So that’s Sherwood, Jose and now Conte that have all hit out at the players of this club. Not sure any other club has had this before from disgruntled Managers.
 

chas vs dave

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bang on. Like milking the fuck out of the poch squad whilst it got tired and stale. yield curve management.
Except we've spent 500 million on players and none have dislodged these players. Despite having 2 elite managers.

Our recruitment has been shocking.
 
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11 selfish players? When a manager throws his team under the bus, his position is untenable. I don’t care what else is going on, when a manager blames the team that’s the end
He's not wrong though. Fans have been calling out Dier & Hojbjerg for years. Fuck all has been done about them and that's on Levy.
 

Trix

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Levy is in such an impossible situation.

He can't really let Conte get away with saying that.

He can't sack him and then wait to the end of the season to install his preferred choice of manager. The risk of the toxicity being directed entirely on him over the next few months with Mason in charge would be far too great.

From his perspective, based entirely on self preservation, I can't see any other choice than getting in Poch right now.
There are a number of patsies currently out of work mate, don't worry about dear old Daniel.
 

olliec

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Levy is in such an impossible situation.

He can't really let Conte get away with saying that.

He can't sack him and then wait to the end of the season to install his preferred choice of manager. The risk of the toxicity being directed entirely on him over the next few months with Mason in charge would be far too great.

From his perspective, based entirely on self preservation, I can't see any other choice than getting in Poch right now.
You obviously don’t know levy very well then. I reckon he’s gone in the international break and maybe he will hire fan fav Poch to get the fans back on side.
 
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