Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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chas vs dave
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The club and conte need to decide to stick or twist. He stays, or goes. Just make. A. Decision.
I don't care either way.
Conte is an elite manager, but I don't think he's the right man to guide us forward and he knows it very well. This season we're seeing a rapid decline from two of our best performers throughout the years: Son and Lloris. We only rely on Kane to bail us and we could easily see that Kane doesn't like to be the only one providing quality.
It's healthy then to assume we should be thinking about a new season without Lloris and Kane and with a different role for Son. Add to that obvious problems in defense and we're looking at a club in rebuild. And Conte is not a manager to do that.
It's healthy then to assume we should be thinking about a new season without Lloris and Kane and with a different role for Son. Add to that obvious problems in defense and we're looking at a club in rebuild. And Conte is not a manager to do that.
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on a more serious note, which one of you naughty rascals kicked Ramsdale?
SargeantMeatCurtains
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This guy is just a walking, talking contradiction.
ILS
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I have just read your one liner. I can't be arsed to read what he says anymore.
It's got to the point I'm bored of listening to him.
Caco
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Won't be a popular opinion, but Conte is simply a bad manager. A good manager will work with what he has and get the best possible outcome. That sometimes requires adapting their own philosophy to suit the task at hand.
Yes, Enic and Levy's tight arsed approach has limited us on the pitch, but building a good team which is competitive doesn't require a bottomless pit of money.
I'm probably not alone in thinking leading up to this game that Lloris would make a blunder and we'd be completely over run in midfield, worrying thing is I don't think Conte gets that, he just stubbornly sticks with the same formation week in week out, we keep on getting dominated way more often than not and continue to concede two goals in almost every game.
Yes, Enic and Levy's tight arsed approach has limited us on the pitch, but building a good team which is competitive doesn't require a bottomless pit of money.
I'm probably not alone in thinking leading up to this game that Lloris would make a blunder and we'd be completely over run in midfield, worrying thing is I don't think Conte gets that, he just stubbornly sticks with the same formation week in week out, we keep on getting dominated way more often than not and continue to concede two goals in almost every game.
Monkey boy
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Can’t believe the trajectory of the two clubs from the end of last season. Like how on Earth is it possible that they are walking the league whilst we roll over and get our tummies tickled at the slightest sign of a good team. It actually makes me sick the realisation that we will never be anything more than a laughing stock.
I honestly thought that we would rise to the occasion today, no way would we let them lot stroll in to our place and walk away with the three points like they did. What a pathetic bunch of so called professionals. You’re not fit to wear the shirt indeed.
I honestly thought that we would rise to the occasion today, no way would we let them lot stroll in to our place and walk away with the three points like they did. What a pathetic bunch of so called professionals. You’re not fit to wear the shirt indeed.
13VanDerBale13
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His post match comments are very worrying & delusional. Im afraid we could be seeing this mess for weeks to come.
Ghost Hardware
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Thing that I don’t get, it’s clear and has been clear to everyone for a long time that we desperately need a playmaker. But even now we are getting linked to more wide forwards. Trossard and Zaniolo are not going to answer our attacking problems. I can’t think of one top team in Europe who doesn’t have a creative AM/CM.
I know that we will never see the best of Conte until we have two quality WB but whilst it will help I don’t think just adding Porro will be a cure all to our lack of attacking dynamism.
And on a side note. I’m so done with 3 at the back. Never liked it and I still don’t.
I know that we will never see the best of Conte until we have two quality WB but whilst it will help I don’t think just adding Porro will be a cure all to our lack of attacking dynamism.
And on a side note. I’m so done with 3 at the back. Never liked it and I still don’t.
SpursSince1980
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I don’t have much appetite for yet another change of coach. But I am baffled how someone whom is considered a world class manager is unable to adapt his team to address an obvious issue. Wasn’t it the Soton manager last season, after they beat us, who said something along the lines of “every coach knows how Spurs will set up” with only 2 in midfield. Nearly every game we play, every team swamps the midfield in the first half, cutting off connecting with the front three. In turn, the front three aren’t very good at winning contested balls. (Sonny in particular).
So, they press our midfield area, where we get out manned, and lose nearly all second balls. This places persistent pressure on a fragile defense.
The answer should be to either shift to a 352 for at least the first half, or come up with a different solution. But going back to the same thing over and over is odd. Not sure what he is expecting.
This is not a post rationalizing a change in coach, more just pointing out that his obdurate approach isn’t helping. We simply don’t have the players to make his system hum.
Maybe that will change. But not this window.
I worry that should we lose to City and then Fulham, and both games are replicas of nearly every other loss this season…. Then, i can see Danny looking for a scapegoat.
Never boring, is it?
So, they press our midfield area, where we get out manned, and lose nearly all second balls. This places persistent pressure on a fragile defense.
The answer should be to either shift to a 352 for at least the first half, or come up with a different solution. But going back to the same thing over and over is odd. Not sure what he is expecting.
This is not a post rationalizing a change in coach, more just pointing out that his obdurate approach isn’t helping. We simply don’t have the players to make his system hum.
Maybe that will change. But not this window.
I worry that should we lose to City and then Fulham, and both games are replicas of nearly every other loss this season…. Then, i can see Danny looking for a scapegoat.
Never boring, is it?
Rosco1984
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I have supported spurs since 1991 as a six year old. In that time there have been 3 managers who have moved us forward and made us compete. Jol, Redknapp, Poch.
What do they have in common front foot attacking football that gets the crowd behind the team and puts the pressure on the opponent. Conte is not going to deliver that. He can deliver if given unlimited funds but we are not the richest club in the league. We can blame investment and Enic could do more but even if they fully openend the taps Chelsea, City, United, Newcastle would just bid even more. We need a positive attacking manager who backs talent. Thats the only time we ever get close.
Look Levy is part of the problem but I think he has the best interests of the club, he has implemented his vision poorly. The issue is - look at Everton and Chelsea - theyve splashed and look whats happened. Id be very cautious about that.
sidford
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We're mid month and no sign of any new players coming in and a new contract for him. He's a dead man walking and will very soon publicly start reputation management which is going to be a shit show for the club. Its going to be a rough few weeks ahead for the club until either he walks or levy just pays him off.
I wanted the club to back him but we know it won't so end it now, no point dragging it out.
I wanted the club to back him but we know it won't so end it now, no point dragging it out.
thebenjamin
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Very much a fan of Conte but this system looks positively archaic. Maybe someone smarter than me can tell me what the strategy is to overcome the numerical disadvantage in midfield.
Mattspurs1982
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But also conte should not persist with his one and only system if he doesn’t have the players good enough to play it. He’s supposed to be an “elite” coach but can’t see this clearly isn’t working and continues anyway. Hmm
You don't win what he has won as a bad manager. It's more accurate to say he isn't a flexible manager. He is a good systems manager but needs the right players. With the right players, he gets the results consistently whereas with the wrong players, he gets inconsistent results and can't change tactics to fit the team as well.
delawarespur
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Yes it has gotten Arsenal to where they are, but the point is we have some really dumb fans and a really dumb board who won’t put up with the smallest bump in the road. If Arsenal had our board and entitled pricks that make up a good chunk of our fan base then Arteta wouldn’t have survived though his 2 FUCKING YEAR spell of poor results. And I mentioned I’m fine with building from scratch, but the point again is it won’t be all rosy all the time and the new manager will undoubtedly have to deal with dips in performances and results like Arteta had. That’s why all I want is a plan to be stuck with.
You want the project path. Nothing wrong with that, but the club must stick with that plan no matter what. When the manager wants to advance the project or refresh, the club must back that and stick to the plan. I better not see fans who want a new project manager demand a change in a year or two when the new manager hits a rough patch.
If I was in charge, I’d back Conte to the hilt. If the club chooses this path, they must give Conte exactly what he wants/needs. If they have no intention of doing so, it’s best to just end it now. My mentality is I’ll back the current manager til the end. The board needs to think the same and pick a plan. Keep Conte and back him with everything he need, or get a new project coach and back their project til no matter what. The club hiring a win-now coach and not backing him is the shit that pisses me off as it just wastes time. If you’re not gonna give Conte what he wants, then why fucking hire him? Surely you know what he demands before doing so? Just like it made no sense not to back Poch’s rebuild calls. You had to sack him at the end because it was so so shit, but it could’ve been prevented if the board just saw the rebuild through like they should have. They wanted to win quickly and sacked Poch to do so, but now they want to stick to their sustainable buy young model with Conte in charge. Makes no fucking sense.
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