Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Trix · Jan 3, 2023

H-SF said:
We definitely need technically proficient wing backs but I don’t think Perisic is good enough in the buildup and he was a Conte request. Similarly, I’m obviously speculating but if Dumfries is the RWB target it’s genuinely quite funny because he’s nowhere near good enough technically. Conte talked about creativity in his presser but he needs to actually identify players with lots of quality on the ball because he didn’t with his summer signings.

You may well be right, but he is far superior to Sessengnon, was free, and understood the managers philosophy. He's also extremely experienced and is very good behind the scenes. Is he the end game LWB required? Probably not, but there was a lot of merit bringing him in with our limited budget and numbers required. The fact we've already bought another LWB tells me the club were aware this was a stop gap signing with eyes still on the future.

-Afri-Coy- · Jan 3, 2023

Gilzeanking said:
I think people are getting carried away with Richarlison because of the WC.

He is brilliant on his day though, and we miss him when no one else is firing.

Dazzazzad · Jan 3, 2023

Gb160 said:
Mate from a fans perspective, trophies won is the only real metric.

Speak for yourself. I immensely preferred the time under Poch compared to league cup winning Ramos' tenure as an example.

DanielJohnCosta · Jan 3, 2023

Sophos151 said:
Interesting thread on Twitter showing how Vio has improved our set pieces:

Key point is that we’d be 10th without set piece goals this season.

this does absolute no favours to Conte

EastUpperDK82 · Jan 3, 2023

DanielJohnCosta said:
this does absolute no favours to Conte

Ahh... come on... without Conte we wouldn't have Vio... in modern football the team around the manager is just as important as himself... Klopp wouldn't have had the success with Liverpool without his assistants input and methods. They have even used an expert in throw-ins from Denmark for many seasons... and we could probably mention other clubs and managers who work like that...

We missed that part big time under Poch in my opinion. Our set-pieces have always been crap before Conte.
Yes... at the moment our general play is bad... But it has worked under Conte in spring 22... we have been scoring goals for fun under him. So it's not like it's impossible with Conte's style.

sidford · Jan 3, 2023

DanielJohnCosta said:
this does absolute no favours to Conte

Yea we have scored a reasonable amount of goals from set pieces but if you remove set piece goals from any team then of course they will be worse off. Every team scores from set plays so unless we remove all teams goals from set plays and analyse that table then that lads work is pretty much useless.

Its like the silly arguements that a team without players X's goals would drop from current place to a lower spot. No shit Sherlock, let's forget that such a player would be replaced by someone in the team would also score.

Rout-Ledge · Jan 3, 2023

It’s ridiculous to try and paint an improvement in our attacking set pieces as a criticism of Conte. It’s a good thing, and he should be praised for it. It’s everything else that’s a problem.

Stamford · Jan 3, 2023

Just say you hate conte and you don't want to give him any credit and go.

jolsnogross · Jan 3, 2023

taidgh said:
I don't follow this thread especially closely, particularly after a bad result, but I can't be the only one who has a feeling of trepidation every time I log on to the site, fearful of the amount of notifications I might see.

I can't face starting a new project (or going back to an old one). Can't everything just start to work out? Please?

Every club is in a project. It's always a project. Conte himself is saying last season was a "miracle" (or a fluke) and that he needs time, in this project, to build a competitive side.

Whether we like it or not, whoever is in charge of Spurs is in charge of a project. The big question is whether the right man is in charge of it. And that gets harder and harder to answer if results and performances are sub standard.

ralphs bald spot · Jan 3, 2023

Rout-Ledge said:
It’s ridiculous to try and paint an improvement in our attacking set pieces as a criticism of Conte. It’s a good thing, and he should be praised for it. It’s everything else that’s a problem.

though I think that no one can argue piece goals aren't a good thing I think that the point is that we have so little creativity elsewhere we have become very reliant upon them as an attacking option

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jan 3, 2023

Bluto Blutarsky said:
I get the disappointment in how we are playing. I want him to stay for the continuity. We made a commitment when we brought him in, we should not bail half way through because of a rough patch.

If you bring Conte in, you commit to getting him the types of players he needs for his system - you don't ask him to change his system.

There should be better planning at the top of the club, and no more switching the moment things get tough.

Agree with this. We've seen how well he can get us playing with our best 11 available each week. Now it's just about providing him with the tools to build on that. We started this process in the summer. Now it's about just continuing the same way.

New manager means a transition period while he assesses the squad. We're already half way through reshaping the squad to fit a 343 after being primarily a 4-2-3-1 squad for the last few years. Bringing in another coach will likely mean going back to 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 and then the wastage that reverting back will bring.

Conte has only been here for 1 year FFS. He needs to be given at least until the summer.

RuskyM · Jan 3, 2023

Think part of my exhaustion is there’s very little joy involved - another period of boring uninspiring football that we’re told to accept because it’ll win and then it doesn’t.

I also find Conte’s demeanour more annoying than anything, despite understanding it. I dunno, I think letting another manager basically take our money knowing he’ll be fine either way because maybe he’ll bestow upon us some success is more small time than anything else. Just very little to inspire.

edit: lol that latest itk sums it up. He’s happy? No other club would bend to the whims of a man who clearly thinks he’s above it. Are we really meant to accept this?

Wig · Jan 3, 2023

Ben Drew said:
I know just how you feel. On the way back to Seven Sisters yesterday, my 9 year old turned to me and said, “I don’t mean to make you feel bad, but I only support spurs because of you…”.

sweet and painful in equal measure.

which pretty much sums up my 40 odd year relationship with Tottenham!

So painful isn't it. I took my 10 year old to his first game at the new stadium last season only to watch us lose 2 nil to Wolves. Never mind, it was wonderful to watch his wide-eyed face as we went around the magnificent stadium.

To me that sort of result is just how football goes. I never supported Spurs because we were a trophy winning team.

However, the past few years we have been so very close to glory and it has become enormously frustrating that each time we get a bit closer and require that extra bit of investment, the opposite happens. We are now one of the richest clubs in world football... we have the money to spend, and we have the title-winning manager who knows what to spend it on.

BACK CONTE!

chas vs dave · Jan 3, 2023

I'm not going to defend conte. Sunday was a new low point. Complete lack of intensity again.

I'm not sure if the instability is helping. The current situation is that he is leaving in the summer. This type of vacuum is not helping.

One area that is frustrating me us his unwillingness to change things when they aren't working.

Villa we're essentially playing a back 6 for a lot of the game. He could have sacrificed a CB for a midfielder.

14/04/91 · Jan 3, 2023

chas vs dave said:
I'm not going to defend conte. Sunday was a new low point. Complete lack of intensity again.

I'm not sure if the instability is helping. The current situation is that he is leaving in the summer. This type of vacuum is not helping.

One area that is frustrating me us his unwillingness to change things when they aren't working.

Villa we're essentially playing a back 6 for a lot of the game. He could have sacrificed a CB for a midfielder.

Spot on. He's only ever done this once (Chelsea away 2nd game) and lo and behold we stole something from that game.

Our 'success' last season was based on rapid counter-attacking but when teams set up like Villa did, we struggle to break them down. He should be finding a way to react to such challenges, not just sticking with the same formation and using it to complain about a lack of players.

Trix · Jan 3, 2023

14/04/91 said:
Spot on. He's only ever done this once (Chelsea away 2nd game) and lo and behold we stole something from that game.

Our 'success' last season was based on rapid counter-attacking but when teams set up like Villa did, we struggle to break them down. He should be finding a way to react to such challenges, not just sticking with the same formation and using it to complain about a lack of players.

Surely you can't deny we have a real lack of depth as far as quality is concerned though. Whatever formation we play we lack that. I agree with what we have available right now 3-5-2 or even 4-4-2 looks better on paper, but that doesn't change the fact the squad still needs major surgery.

Tucker · Jan 3, 2023

He’s a drama Queen we all knew that when he came and nothing has changed in that regard. The latest itk demonstrates this more than anything. He was exactly the same after we lost to Burnley last year then things perked up for us.

Maybe this is a wake up call everyone needs.

Him staying or going is all a bit chicken and egg for me. He needs to commit to us just as much as Levy needs to commit to him.

FinnYid · Jan 3, 2023

EastUpperDK82 said:
Ahh... come on... without Conte we wouldn't have Vio...

Has never worked with Conte before, but has worked for clubs like Brentford and Leeds. Had to be sanctioned by Conte, but don't know wether idea came from Paratici or someone else.

Stuart Leathercock · Jan 3, 2023

FinnYid said:
Perhaps for you, many wouldn't take League Cup every other year if it meant playing constantly on relegation dogfight or championship. Wigan even won FA Cup instead of League Cup, reckon their fans would still rather be where Spurs are and have been, rather than where they are / have been. It's not all about mere trophies.

I actually suspect most Wigan fans would probably be happy with their team winning an FA Cup and then going back to the lower leagues, the one Wigan fan that I know certainly is. Their level is the lower leagues and never in their dreams did they believe their club would ever win a major trophy.

thebenjamin · Jan 3, 2023

There is a cure for many of our ills. We need to beat Arsenal. Everyone will chill the fuck out.

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