Spurslove
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What? Has he ever said that, or even hinted that was the case?
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What? Has he ever said that, or even hinted that was the case?
Timberwolf
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Never go back.
Can't imagine there are too many instances where managers return to clubs and do anywhere near as well as they did the first time. Especially managers who overachieved as much as Poch did here.
The league is more competitive now and he won't be the same man he was when he joined us last time - it would be destined to end in tears.
Can't imagine there are too many instances where managers return to clubs and do anywhere near as well as they did the first time. Especially managers who overachieved as much as Poch did here.
The league is more competitive now and he won't be the same man he was when he joined us last time - it would be destined to end in tears.
Were you not paying attention following on from our losing the CL final ? He clearly lost interest in his job and like Brenda at Leicester nowadays he was just waiting to be sacked and collecting his pay off.
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The problem for Poch is that he has basically thrived in and suited the same scenario throughout his career. Starting from a low base, building from the rubble, etc.
At Espanyol he had no real expectations just firefighting constantly and putting a team together with what he had. Bargain basement transfers and academy kids.
At Southampton he had a good 18 months based on what he inherited, fairly unheralded pro's plus academy kids.
With us he had three good seasons - 14/15 was a season where slowly things were built together, 15/16 and 16/17 this culminated with a peak in result and performance. Again mainly with what he inherited, fairly young pro's plus those coming through the academy, plus a key signing or two each summer (eg. Alderweireld, Wanyama). After this in 17/18 and 18/19 we just about kept the show on the road results wise, whilst standards and performance kept falling away.
As said, all largely done in the same way. What he inherits, and teams built around young players who buy in to the ideas. He comes in, gets them fitter, gets them motivated, sets some standards to work hard. Has a solid tactical plan based around 4-2-3-1 (defenders who can play, attacking fullbacks, strong Cm2, four fluid attackers with freedom) and a high press.
This, as we saw, can deliver a lot and considerable improvement. But yet still, you'd say question marks remain. He isn't the cutest tactically and can tinker on a micro-level or within the 90 minutes so well. He hasn't ever really shown he can manage change - he bailed on Soton when their team got picked apart, then floundered as his Spurs team declined. His work in the transfer market has big question marks against it. Sometimes he/his Spurs team was labelled as a bit naive and, for all the steps forward they did take, not mentally tough enough.. And would his methods and ideas work with established players, big names with big ego's and set in their ways? At PSG, where they often looked as far away from a Poch team as you could get, and the man himself sat their going through the motions usually, you'd say probably no.
His work has suited teams at a low ebb/low base, built around a profile of young players who are malleable to his methods, that raises standards and performance over the initial couple of years.
He does seem a bit stuck really. He might feel he has outgrown project and rebuild clubs (even though that's where his work suits best), not sure he's demonstrated he's a sure fire bet for the top clubs though. He's definitely too good to be in managerial limbo though.
At Espanyol he had no real expectations just firefighting constantly and putting a team together with what he had. Bargain basement transfers and academy kids.
At Southampton he had a good 18 months based on what he inherited, fairly unheralded pro's plus academy kids.
With us he had three good seasons - 14/15 was a season where slowly things were built together, 15/16 and 16/17 this culminated with a peak in result and performance. Again mainly with what he inherited, fairly young pro's plus those coming through the academy, plus a key signing or two each summer (eg. Alderweireld, Wanyama). After this in 17/18 and 18/19 we just about kept the show on the road results wise, whilst standards and performance kept falling away.
As said, all largely done in the same way. What he inherits, and teams built around young players who buy in to the ideas. He comes in, gets them fitter, gets them motivated, sets some standards to work hard. Has a solid tactical plan based around 4-2-3-1 (defenders who can play, attacking fullbacks, strong Cm2, four fluid attackers with freedom) and a high press.
This, as we saw, can deliver a lot and considerable improvement. But yet still, you'd say question marks remain. He isn't the cutest tactically and can tinker on a micro-level or within the 90 minutes so well. He hasn't ever really shown he can manage change - he bailed on Soton when their team got picked apart, then floundered as his Spurs team declined. His work in the transfer market has big question marks against it. Sometimes he/his Spurs team was labelled as a bit naive and, for all the steps forward they did take, not mentally tough enough.. And would his methods and ideas work with established players, big names with big ego's and set in their ways? At PSG, where they often looked as far away from a Poch team as you could get, and the man himself sat their going through the motions usually, you'd say probably no.
His work has suited teams at a low ebb/low base, built around a profile of young players who are malleable to his methods, that raises standards and performance over the initial couple of years.
He does seem a bit stuck really. He might feel he has outgrown project and rebuild clubs (even though that's where his work suits best), not sure he's demonstrated he's a sure fire bet for the top clubs though. He's definitely too good to be in managerial limbo though.
Timberwolf
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On that basis the Nice job might be a perfect fit.
Seems like exactly the type of project/rebuild club that would suit him.
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Pretty decent place to live as well!
Spurslove
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Maybe, but David Moyes name springs immediately to mind. I think it is possible as long as both parties understand things have to be different from the last time, which means both parties need to understand what went wrong the first time. Of course, it's not always easy to admit you got things wrong...
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Spurslove
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I don't think anything was said by anyone from either side at the time regarding the reasons behind his sacking, so it was up to all of us to come to our own conclusions. Clearly, you've come to yours which is fine, but they're not confirmed facts.
Some people have said he'd 'lost the dressing room' which means to me, the players are the ones who lost interest, which is an opinion equally valid.
Let's face it, we just don't know the facts.
taidgh
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Can't believe you opted against 'pretty nice place to live'
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That's why I thought he may be a good fit for United if they allowed for a rebuild. Although they probably wouldn't have given him the time and lumped him with big money signings.
Timberwolf
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Did Moyes ever return to a club though? He had a resurgence but not at the same club he succeeded at before.
dontcallme
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He returned to West Ham didn't he?
Timberwolf
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Oh true. The first stint was like a 4 month stop gap job, though. Hardly feels like a proper tenure.
Poch returning would be like Moyes going back to Everton.
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For me Poch did a great job as a coach but there are significant question marks over him when he was promoted to manager.
His attempt at a rebuild saw us start to drop off and has put us in a position where we have a lot of expensive players on the books who are not worth what we originally paid for them.
All the most successful managers have a decent hit rate when it comes to bringing in players and until he can demonstrate this I'd steer clear.
I think he needs to rebuild his reputation in terms of competing at the highest level before we consider him.
I felt at the end of his tenure he thought he had outgrown us but now feel the boot's on the other foot.
His attempt at a rebuild saw us start to drop off and has put us in a position where we have a lot of expensive players on the books who are not worth what we originally paid for them.
All the most successful managers have a decent hit rate when it comes to bringing in players and until he can demonstrate this I'd steer clear.
I think he needs to rebuild his reputation in terms of competing at the highest level before we consider him.
I felt at the end of his tenure he thought he had outgrown us but now feel the boot's on the other foot.
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I think Poch would need to demonstrate he’d learned certain lessons in order to come back here one day. A willingness to be (much) more flexible in the transfer market would be absolutely essential. I think that was one of if not the biggest contributors to his downfall here. If he was happy to work worth a DOF like Paratici then all the better.
There’s no way we would’ve signed Bentancur or Kulu under Poch, and yet he’d persist with Harry Winks in midfield because we couldn’t land one of the hottest properties in world football. The squad stagnated as a result, and so did morale, and so did performances. It was a nightmare by the end. A totally avoidable one too.
There’s no way we would’ve signed Bentancur or Kulu under Poch, and yet he’d persist with Harry Winks in midfield because we couldn’t land one of the hottest properties in world football. The squad stagnated as a result, and so did morale, and so did performances. It was a nightmare by the end. A totally avoidable one too.
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And keep Guillem Balague away from Poch - no more books etc.
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I don't think he'd have a choice if he ever did come back.
Rout-Ledge
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It was very naive. Hopefully he’s learned a lesson.
He was clearly exhausted in every sense at that point, and needed a break. He should’ve kept his thoughts to himself though. I also suspect he was believing his own hype, and considered himself hot managerial property (he definitely had half an eye on the United job).
I imagine if he was in the same position again he’d understand the value of his position as Spurs manager and do more to fight for his future - Klopp at Liverpool is a good comparison , you stay motivated when it gets bad and redouble your efforts to succeed. You stay, you don’t give up, and you win in the end. Poch had mentally given up by the end, it was clear to see.
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