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punkisback

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I trust Conte and his plan and therefore he should be backed - but it makes it so annoying that his view of footballers and style of play doesn't align with mine :LOL:
I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
 

djhotspur

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
But then we have numerous players including all our cbs, pretty much all our wing backs bar Emerson who cannot play in a back 4…..
 

Ben1

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
haha 433, seriously?

Back 4 means chucking out 6/8 defenders, absolute rubbish
 

Timberwolf

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
There's about as much chance of Conte switching to a 4-3-3 as there is of him laying an egg.
 

Trix

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
Show us your starting XI for this scenario? Really interested in what you do with the back line, as they are all better in a 3 apart from perhaps Royal.
 

wrd

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I don't think 3-5-2 is out of the realms of possibility personally, Kulusevski would have to play wingback or be benched for it to happen but it is viable, I think SMS could probably be trusted in a 2 when you have a back 3 also in the 3-4-3 but we'll see. I'm not sitting here thinking SMS is the missing link but think he would be a fantastic player to acquire, personally as I've said ad nauseum that I think FDJ would be the midfielder I'd be looking to add and then our midfield options would be an embarrassment of riches.

I'm not really sure what I expect of us in the remaining window to be honest, I think our business has been superb, I think what Dragon1 said makes sense in terms of creating an absolutely perfect squad, a top LCB, a top deep lying CM and a winger but pragmatically speaking, I'd expect those 3 signings to be next season and if we pull even one of them off I think we've got tremendously fortunate. The business we've done already is excellent for 1 window.
 

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I don't get it, what has changed? 90 million euro won't be spent on SMS, have they lowered their price or why did this resurface now?
 

Freddie

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Yes but you need to be adaptable, that is part of contes problem and criticisms of him. Switching between the 2 formations would make us less predictable and allow us to compete with all teams… particularly with the champions league coming up.
I think part of why chelsea were able to dominate us so easily is because they know exactly how we are going to set up, the formation and how well play. Top managers will be able to come up with a plan to nullify us. I’m sure other managers including arteta watched Chelsea on Sunday and will use them same pressing plan.
I think we can be predictable but changing formation isn't necessarily the solution. City, Liverpool and even Chelsea themselves play the same formation every game but they make tactical adjustments within that. If you look at what Reece James did, both on and off the ball for example was quite clever from Tuchel. We need our players to be more versatile. Signing a midfielder for big money who only really suits a formation which would be more of a plan B makes less sense, even though he's very good. Similar to when we were linked with Lautaro, I don't think it's the best use of our funds.
 

Jamturk

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You buy a player like this he has to start most games, not happening in my opinion.
 

PaulThurston

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I don't get it, what has changed? 90 million euro won't be spent on SMS, have they lowered their price or why did this resurface now?
Perhaps the club do want to cash in but noone bit at 90m so they're softening their stance?

I'm not sure there has been a change in reality, none of the reliable sources seem to have heard anything.
 

Cochise

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352 would imo be SMS and two from the current four midfielders in the middle. We would then have two from Son, Kane, Richarlison and Deki as the front two (and I think Deki would be fine in this role). If we want to go 343, then SMS comes off for one of those aforementioned four. His passing range also means that we could even go 343 with him in the two, although I wouldn't in big games where we expect to have the middle outnumbered like Sunday.

The only niggle I have with this idea is that I think it would leave us with another question mark; Who do we have that can sit at the base of the midfield and create? Bissouma and Bentancur are more like box to box destroyers. Hojbjerg and Skipp both have a decent passing range on them, but not elite. It might mean another transfer next year.

It's also another system to learn. Now if the idea is that next season is where we are aiming to peak, then training the tactics for the 352 over the course of the year and rotating between the 343 and that makes sense. I don't think we can hope for more than a cup this season, so it wouldn't be a bad move to do this, however it would mean that everyone at the club is on the same page.

Lastly. I think the 352 is a good solution. Last year away to Leicester we used it and looked a really good side. I thought the football that night despite requiring the Bergwijn heroics was good. At home to Liverpool Dele should've got a couple of goals and an assist in the same system.
 

Jamturk

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Perhaps the club do want to cash in but noone bit at 90m so they're softening their stance?

I'm not sure there has been a change in reality, none of the reliable sources seem to have heard anything.

Even if they softened I still think we wouldn't bother, Judging by Sunday we need another CB before another CM.
 

brasil_spur

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Problem is Chelsea showed us up tactically on Sunday and told the League what to do against us because of that system. If I recall didn’t Inter pick it up after Xmas when Eriksen was incorporated into a 352 over a 343?
Chelsea can show the rest of the league what they like, but without the quality that Chelsea have in key positions, other teams won't be able to deploy that as effectively against us. Then there are teams who won't change their formation and style of play to counter an opponent.

Frankly the Chelsea game was no where near as bad as some are making out. It's always a massively tough fixture for us at Stamford Bridge, so to come away with a point is decent. The major mistake Conte made was not brining Perisic on for Son sooner, had he done so we wouldn't have shipped that second goal. Likewise if Kane had been on proper form then that shot he bumbled wide when clean through would have had us winning the game.

I'm not saying we were perfect and clearly there were some mistakes both from the dug out and on the pitch. But other teams lining up like that against us doesn't worry me at all.
 

brasil_spur

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
Good lord. Have you watched any football under Conte?

Firstly he's not going with a back 4, so we can kill that discussion dead. But say he left us and then Mason took charge and went for a back 4 - literally none of our full backs, apart from Emerson and Reggie (who we're about to let leave) are going to be able to play in a back 4. We've just signed Perisic and Spence who are wing backs all day long. Doherty is 100% a wing back and Sess is probably the most natural fit for a Conte wing back that exists.

Even Emerson seems to have come on leaps and bounds in that position recently.
 

cliff jones

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Good lord. Have you watched any football under Conte?

Firstly he's not going with a back 4, so we can kill that discussion dead. But say he left us and then Mason took charge and went for a back 4 - literally none of our full backs, apart from Emerson and Reggie (who we're about to let leave) are going to be able to play in a back 4. We've just signed Perisic and Spence who are wing backs all day long. Doherty is 100% a wing back and Sess is probably the most natural fit for a Conte wing back that exists.

Even Emerson seems to have come on leaps and bounds in that position recently.
bit of a stretch to justify your point- Mason?! Back 4?!

Good points in your Chelsea post above though

Anyway SMS too rich for us whatever the formation
 

punkisback

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Show us your starting XI for this scenario? Really interested in what you do with the back line, as they are all better in a 3 apart from perhaps Royal.
I am just of the thinking that we have Talent up top that can be utilised better and weekends in the WB spots in comparison to his previous teams

Lloris

Emerson
Romero
Dier
Sess

bentancur
Bissouma
Deki or other Attack minded AM signing

Deki or Richarlison
Kane
Son

I just think it makes sense to get our dangermen on the pitch. I feel in our wingback system compared to say his old chelsea formation the wingers acted like no10 and the wingbacks like traditional outside wingers. Our players are not really built like that, other than Deki who comes inside and acts creative. Would also potentially mean replacing dier

A lot I could go into but I just think this gives us a more fluid approach.
 

Ron Burgundy

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
With respect, there's no point even vaguely contemplating this - that train has left the station, got to the other station, gone back in garage, been decommissioned, replaced, upgraded and replaced with spaceships.

Everything in the squad is geared to playing 3 at the back
 

Trix

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I am just of the thinking that we have Talent up top that can be utilised better and weekends in the WB spots in comparison to his previous teams

Lloris

Emerson
Romero
Dier
Sess

bentancur
Bissouma
Deki or other Attack minded AM signing

Deki or Richarlison
Kane
Son

I just think it makes sense to get our dangermen on the pitch. I feel in our wingback system compared to say his old chelsea formation the wingers acted like no10 and the wingbacks like traditional outside wingers. Our players are not really built like that, other than Deki who comes inside and acts creative. Would also potentially mean replacing dier

A lot I could go into but I just think this gives us a more fluid approach.
Well I remember Dier in a 2 and it was horrible, and Romero hasn't shown he can really play that role for any length of time either. We've deliberately gone out and bought so that we have 2 players for every position Conte has made this a priority. To change formation and still achieve this now would mean bringing in another 5-6 players instead of just the 2 to make that a reality for 3-4-3.
 

spids

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I feel the same way. Really think that to get the best out of our team 433 is the way, the wing backs aren’t good enough. This will also allow us to play SMS
We'd then need a manager that uses a 4-3-3 system. Nuno would be available quite cheaply. Or we can just ensure we have the right players for Conte to play his brand of football. You know, maybe sign a world class WB like Perisic, and get a conveyor belt of talented athletes like Sessegnon, Spence and Destiny who can be shaped into Conte's image.
 
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