The ITK Discussion Thread - 7th December 2021

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Dec 30, 2021

Traore is one of the most press resistant players in the league. Forget the second half against Southampton when we didn’t create enough 100% chances after the disallowed goal, the real Tottenham this season and the last few is a real struggle to move the ball through the pitch, who get pressed into passing sideways and backwards by any team. Defenders not comfortable on the ball, midfielders who can’t play on the half turn and drive into space. If the front three and Lucas in particular don’t drop deep in midfield and take players out of the game we’d be solely relying on percentage balls from deep imo.

Personally I’d rather look at attributes than stats for a different team. We could sign a specialised WB with great numbers but put him into this team and theres no guarantee they would be able to reproduce that.

Traore has actually got decent feet and his passing is good enough as he can create the space for himself to play forward, you rarely see him play hospital balls deep and pass responsibility on, those players are the liabilities imo and we have enough of them that hide. He can turn the opposition around consistently, create overloads consistently. His shooting is very poor but I do think he would get us creating more chances even if he’s not always going to have his name on the assist stat.

Cue him going to Liverpool.

Matthew · Dec 30, 2021

taidgh said:
He'd be really good there, I think. He's really fit, dangerous offensively, and puts in work on the defensive side of things, though he's not a great defender. If we can get him in for a reasonable price, I think it would be a really smart move.

until he gets in the final third and then he shits himself, although if anyone can improve him, it AC so im all for it.

spursfan77 · Dec 30, 2021

Hercules said:
I cannot believe your observations

Well, you will if we sign him!

How about just giving Emerson a chance rather than everyone writing him off after 4 months with us. A young player in a new country who isn’t comfortable with the language yet has already showed promise. I think I’ll give him a bit more time ?

doctor stefan Freud · Dec 30, 2021

I’d take Traore in a heart beat. As a RWB, there would be barely any pressure on him to score. His skill set would be so valuable to the squad, with opposition teams having to double up on him, freeing up space elsewhere for our team to exploit. He’d draw fouls all the time- that’s when players aren’t bouncing off him- and add some genuine counterattacking threat. He’s also already adapted to the Premier League and not only has blistering pace and strength but an excellent engine too. Son and Kane can the bring the finesse, what we need in this squad is brute speed and strength

Matthew · Dec 30, 2021

Ruffinthepuffin said:
I personally think Traore is absolute pony who’s not now a regular starter for Wolves but if Conte wants him then fair enough imo.

this is what worries me, if he cant get a get for wolves - how can he for us? and the last right sided player we signed from them didn't/hasn't exactly pulled up trees!

Tucker · Dec 30, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Well, you will if we sign him!

How about just giving Emerson a chance rather than everyone writing him off after 4 months with us. A young player in a new country who isn’t comfortable with the language yet has already showed promise. I think I’ll give him a bit more time ?

I think the truth is we need two good options for each wingback role. In this system it’s the most physically demanding position, we have Reguilon and Sess on the left, but on the right side we need a better option than Doherty for when Emerson needs a rest. I think Emerson will come good, and is showing a lot of promise, but I don’t think he can do it on his own.

el pistolero · Dec 30, 2021

kendoddsdadsdogsdead said:
Traore is one of the most press resistant players in the league. Forget the second half against Southampton when we didn’t create enough 100% chances after the disallowed goal, the real Tottenham this season and the last few is a real struggle to move the ball through the pitch, who get pressed into passing sideways and backwards by any team. Defenders not comfortable on the ball, midfielders who can’t play on the half turn and drive into space. If the front three and Lucas in particular don’t drop deep in midfield and take players out of the game we’d be solely relying on percentage balls from deep imo.

Personally I’d rather look at attributes than stats for a different team. We could sign a specialised WB with great numbers but put him into this team and theres no guarantee they would be able to reproduce that.

Traore has actually got decent feet and his passing is good enough as he can create the space for himself to play forward, you rarely see him play hospital balls deep and pass responsibility on, those players are the liabilities imo and we have enough of them that hide. He can turn the opposition around consistently, create overloads consistently. His shooting is very poor but I do think he would get us creating more chances even if he’s not always going to have his name on the assist stat.

Cue him going to Liverpool.

completely agree with your point.my only concern with him as a wing back would be like others said has he got the athletism to get up and down the pitch consistenly but imo he would be a great rotational option to emerson and offers something differently.i also agree with you that we have many coward who just want to pass it sideways and like to remove the responsibility to players like lucas and expect him to take all the players on and create something by himself

daveduvet · Dec 30, 2021

Traore under Conte’s instruction would be a formidable force.. genuinely excited by the prospect - if it were to happen

King of the Lane · Dec 30, 2021

I find the love in for Lamptey and dislike for Traore a bit weird tbh. People criticise Traore for having no end product but thats the exact same weakness that Lamptey has been accused of by his own fans. If I'm not mistaken Traore registered 9 assists in his best ever Prem season whereas Lamptey's highest return is only 4 assists in a season. Both are weaker defensively but Traore is faster, stronger and has better dribbling. I believe that both of them would be good targets for us but to praise one and totally disregard the other is strange imo.

FibreOpticJesus · Dec 30, 2021

Matthew said:
this is what worries me, if he cant get a get for wolves - how can he for us? and the last right sided player we signed from them didn't/hasn't exactly pulled up trees!

I just hope this is just a smokescreen by Conte and our transfer team.

greavesy461 · Dec 30, 2021

Joshua said:
Traore does make sense imo. Emerson for when we need to keep it tight and Traore for when we need to put the foot on the gas would be nice options to have at RWB. And the fact that he could rotate into/cover the front 3 as well.

Exactly. Allows us to sell Bergwijn if we want to

Finchyid · Dec 30, 2021

FibreOpticJesus said:
I just hope this is just a smokescreen by Conte and our transfer team.

Me too, I don’t see traore as an upgrade on Doherty

mark87 · Dec 30, 2021

Finchyid said:
Me too, I don’t see traore as an upgrade on Doherty

Seriously?

PCozzie · Dec 30, 2021

Finchyid said:
Me too, I don’t see traore as an upgrade on Doherty

Really? I'd consider my mum an upgrade on Doherty. (No offence Doc. She also can't cross, but she will make a cracking half time pot of tea with homemade shortbread).

That's not to say there aren't better RWBs than Traore, but in a straight fight, AT beats MD all day for me.

pablo73 · Dec 30, 2021

I have my reservations about Traore at RWB but one thing I would say is that if Conte can make Viktor Moses look like a world beater in that position then anything is possible for Traore.

taidgh · Dec 30, 2021

Matthew said:
until he gets in the final third and then he shits himself, although if anyone can improve him, it AC so im all for it.

He's not a great finisher, but can put in a very good cross. Either way, as you say, if Conte feels he can improve him, I'm behind it all the way.

kendoddsdadsdogsdead · Dec 30, 2021

el pistolero said:
completely agree with your point.my only concern with him as a wing back would be like others said has he got the athletism to get up and down the pitch consistenly but imo he would be a great rotational option to emerson and offers something differently.i also agree with you that we have many coward who just want to pass it sideways and like to remove the responsibility to players like lucas and expect him to take all the players on and create something by himself

Yeah, that is true definitely, still think even if he doesn’t bomb up and down for 90 minutes he’s strong enough back to goal to still help us get out.

arunspurs · Dec 30, 2021

IMO, Traore seems to be the most misunderstood player in PL.. Wolves do not play to his strengths whether its under Nuno or Lage now. Wolves have scored 13 this season, only Norwich(8) is worse - thats outright abysmal.

Reason is, they just dont get enough players into box on attack. It is not that, Traore cannot cross - reality is, most often there is no one to attack apart from Jiminez.

Traore crossing efficiency is 25% which is near top of the league standards. Put him in a Conte system at RWB, where on possession we push 5 up top (front 3 & 2 WBs) - he will thrive. There will be more in the box - making his chance creation better.

Timberwolf · Dec 30, 2021

King of the Lane said:
I find the love in for Lamptey and dislike for Traore a bit weird tbh. People criticise Traore for having no end product but thats the exact same weakness that Lamptey has been accused of by his own fans. If I'm not mistaken Traore registered 9 assists in his best ever Prem season whereas Lamptey's highest return is only 4 assists in a season. Both are weaker defensively but Traore is faster, stronger and has better dribbling. I believe that both of them would be good targets for us but to praise one and totally disregard the other is strange imo.

Lamptey was injured for huge chunks of last season so 4 assists in 11 appearances is actually very very good. He also has to rely on clowns like Neal Maupay to put his chances away which halves his assist potential instantly.

When you watch Lamptey, while he doesn't have the absurd physicality of Traore, he's a lot more intelligent on the ball and much more of a natural wing back. Traore can beat anyone in the dribble but will shank the ball out of play or run down blind alleys endlessly. Maybe Conte can coach him to fit into his system but I'll believe it when I see it.

If I had to pick one I'd choose Lamptey every time, although given his injury record, huge fee (BHA would want 50m I imagine) and tiny stature, I do wonder if we'd be better off going after someone else entirely.

DannyNZ · Dec 30, 2021

50m as a back up striker was pure madness, 20m as a budding RWB who could also slot into the Moura role doesn’t feel ridiculous. We need strength in depth down that right hand side, Emerson and Moura can’t play every game and Doherty is average at best and Dele demonstrated he cannot be effective on right. If it works could be a master stroke, if not the bench is strengthened or flick him on.

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