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FORMER Manager Watch: Nuno Espírito Santo
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apologies for quoting this but the list of those who agreed made me laugh.
Some people never learn that anything can happen in football. People said the same about Bale and still it doesn't sink in.
Just something to think about the next time we are so cocksure about something. You never know.
dontcallme
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I just checked I wasn't on it.
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This is the thing. We aren't actually doing significantly worse than most peoples expectations. The reason I do feel it was a justified sacking is more the nature of what was happening rather than the results themselves. The reality is we couldn't create effectively and we couldn't really defend effectively either. With Poch, he was under pressure early. But we still were a lot more functional, there was a trajectory to what we were doing.
To make a generous appraisal on Nuno you could say there actually were hints it might get better. We were keeping the ball a lot better than last season, we were still adjusting to his style and maybe with greater familiarity of patterns of play we would have improved further. I also feel he was let down by us not signing traore, whod have given us a spark that we were missing when carrying the ball forward.
Having said all that, just because you can consiveibly imagine a point it would have clicked better doesnt mean it's worth persevering with. Because frankly it is likely it would have resulted in relatively stodgy football and there is little reason to believe it would produce results on a level to justify such stodgyness. Similarly, performances were poor and it isnt clear to what extent they'd have improved.
Pochs first season really wasnt very good, but even so, we were competitive in most matches, there was excitement at least in new players emerging and, well, it was a hell of a lot better than what came before.
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To be fair, I don't think Fabio should be getting away with his own fair share of shit either for appointing Nuno in the first place, but what's done is done and we need to move on now.
Conte's appointment was a master-stroke, and perfectly timed because I'm sure he'd have been a prime candidate on the list of possibles for the Saudi government's regional office in Newcastle, so well done Fabio and yes, well done Levy. Credit where it's due.
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This is a strange post from you mate. Not sure what the purpose of this message is about.
Are we being called out for being realistic by thinking that us signing Conte was unlikely?
Come on were you honestly thinking that we would get Conte across the line, one of the best managers in the world to come and work for Levy?
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nferno
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I think it’s more from an angle that it’s risky to shit on the optimists’ parade because what they’re hoping for just might happen. Be realistic if you want, sure, but if you go about it a hyperbolic and condescending way then you leave yourself open to the “I told you so”s
Whist I agree with the emphasis of your post, IIRC Poch had to put up with a sulking adebayor, a miss firing Saldardo and a few other players such as Kaboul who didn’t give a shit. Don’t forget he inherited other poor players such as Vlad, Fazio, stambiouli (spelling) Capoe, Paulinho. Yes there were a couple of young players that brought into what Poch wanted to do, but he was also backed by Levy who allowed him to get rid of the senior players that didn’t buy into him. That was a first! Also you could see Poch had a plan, we looked devoid of any plan under Nuno
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I did write a reply but this shorter version covers it pretty well. No offence was intended it was just an observation.
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NEVILLEB
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It still says he had less points after 10 games.
Conte has just come out and said that it’s been Levy’s determination which helped win him round so it’s no wonder Nuno has looked defeated.
I’m sure some of you will be sticking the knife into Conte soon and looking for another Manager. Just as you did to Pochettino and everyone before him.
kaz Hirai
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What on earth are you on about? The point was that someone was using half of that picture to show Nuno had more points than poch , another poster asked to see the whole picture so I posted which clearly shows yes Nuno scored one point better but all his other stats were abysmal in comparison which we all knew anyway causw we've all been watching us get thrashed like Norwich recently
Doubt anyone is going to be on contes back because unlike Nuno and Jose he isn't on a download spiral coming off being sacked/and terrible.
Same as poch, he was given time because he came right off a very successful Southampton spell
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No doubting he was clueless & deserved to be sacked.
I can’t help feeling sorry for him though after the way it ended for him at the game & also looking sad / intimidated when hearing the boos for the sub.
He’s clearly a nice guy & hopefully he finds the right club for him.
I can’t help feeling sorry for him though after the way it ended for him at the game & also looking sad / intimidated when hearing the boos for the sub.
He’s clearly a nice guy & hopefully he finds the right club for him.
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yep, on a human level it does make you feel damn awful for him and empathise. Genuinely hope he’s mentally tough enough to not let it bother him long-term.
Reflecting on this in the cold light of day, I really do wish there was a way that we could have effected him getting sacked (and Conte take over) in a way that didn’t involve publicly bullying/belittling him, but sometimes there is little alternative to drastic measures when you want change. My message to Nuno as a Spurs fan would be that I don’t blame you for taking the biggest job to date in your career and I’m sorry it ended so traumatically for you - I hope you take some time to yourself and your family, rebuild and bounce back to respectable status in the football manager world.
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I feel the same, it upsets me that his abiding memory of Spurs will be getting abuse because he really did look sad. Equally his reputation is getting trashed in the media which just seems uncalled for, whatever we achieve this season, he contributed 5 league wins, which isn’t an easy thing, especially given what he had to put up with.
The season Poch got sacked he only had 3 wins and a couple of draws from 2 more games. Even Ramos didn get what Nuno did, given that he actually wanted the job, there is something profoundly unkind about his treatment.
It's exciting to have Conte of course it is, but I like the club and football a bit less today than I did.
