Trix
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Well precedent is set now. No complaining from those defending him, if you miss out on someone you actually want in the future.
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thekneaf
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I'm not that rational
Trix
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Again had Levy said from the off we didn't have the money then fine.
He didn't! He let it all play out with everyone believing we would make another bid, then at the last minute told the football men Bergwijn was better so we didn't need him.
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Yep bang on this is clearly the major issue. Traore for 50m in isolation is probably a deal worthy of criticism but there is literally no point hiring a DOF (especially an expensive one who you've supposedly wanted for years) if you're just going to decide who to sign yourself anyway - particularly as we all know that whilst Levy is a good businessman his actual knowledge on football is piss poor compared to all the actual decision makers at the club.
Albertbarich
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If it stinks and Levy doesn't trust them then he should never have appointed them in the first place.
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If Fabio or Nuno started telling Levy how best to develop a successful strategy and manage a significant property portfolio then Levy can quite rightly point to his double first from Cambridge for Land Economics, and his business career to date, and tell both to respectfully fuck off. Likewise if Levy tried to tell Fabio and Nuno how the football team should be set up tactically and which players best suit the system…………….!
Yid-ol
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Was there a budget given at the start on what could be spent before outgoings? I know we heard we had cash to buy before sell, but didn't see anything to say how much.
And that last bit is worrying and unacceptable from him, for 3 good reasons.
1) Bergwijn is a left winger, Traore is normally more a right winger
2) we only have Moura covering the right before youths are considered.
3) it should be the manager saying who is better.
So unless we expect Markanday to step up, we are still short on the rightI didn’t put this together by the way, just screen grabbed it off TwitterDocherty says hi.........
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Could FP, Nuno and Hitch getting on well and forming a sort proto-coalition so quickly have taken Levy by surprise?
The club has always been highly factional and Levy has exploited these fissures to maintain his vice grip.
FP is a politician as well as a DoF. You have to be in Serie A. Maybe Levy miscalculated how the Hitchen-FP-Levy dynamic would develop, leading to this siege mentality.
Dunno. Still perplexed by his antics yesterday. Very odd behaviour.
The club has always been highly factional and Levy has exploited these fissures to maintain his vice grip.
FP is a politician as well as a DoF. You have to be in Serie A. Maybe Levy miscalculated how the Hitchen-FP-Levy dynamic would develop, leading to this siege mentality.
Dunno. Still perplexed by his antics yesterday. Very odd behaviour.
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If we are discussing the general principle of it all, rather than the specifics of the AT deal, surely there has to be a point at which DL gets involved and maybe his biggest mistake was saying he wouldn’t? I mean, if there was a Mendes player Fab and Nuno wanted at stupid money, that no one on here wanted, we’d be crying out for Daniel to step in and take responsibility. There weren’t that many on here that wanted Nuno that long ago and Fab. was an unknown quantity in the EPL until very recently. To have abdicated complete responsibility to them within a few weeks seems a bit of a stretch.
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Here is the thing. When it all goes wrong. Which it will as it always does they will all lose their jobs.
One man though who has had more failed appointments than successes is still here. He will not be going anywhere as he pays himself a fortune to essentially fail at the reason he is here.
There is one constant in this ongoing abject failure to win trophies and it isn't the footballing employees.
thekneaf
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Lucas hasn't been called up, shockingly
Jody
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You’d hope that they would have a sensible discussion about it all now the dust has settled and clarify expectations etc.
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It's fairly widely acknowledged that Levy is frugal, but I didn't have him down as a total idiot.
Sounds like he's joined the growing trend of morons that don't trust experts and instead form their own opinions on things they know absolutely nothing about.
Wonder if he vetoed us signing a midfielder because 'Winks runs around a lot' too.
Sounds like he's joined the growing trend of morons that don't trust experts and instead form their own opinions on things they know absolutely nothing about.
Wonder if he vetoed us signing a midfielder because 'Winks runs around a lot' too.
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Levy gets a lot of things right, and he gets a lot of things wrong. Off the pitch, I doubt there is a better chairman of a club out there, and even then he still managed to drag us through the mud when it came to COVID loans and the ESL. That having been said, the infrastructure of the club is world-class and the club also seems to have a much more sustainable relationship with the local area.
On the pitch, yes there were and are opportunities missed because Levy gets too involved. I doubt that that will ever really change. However, would we have offloaded the players we have this window and got the likes of Romero, Gill and Sarr in if it had been Levy leading the deals? I very much doubt it.
The feeling I get is that when the value of the transfer exceeds a point, Levy is gonna step in and throw his weight about. Paratici and Hitchen will probably only get free reign up to a point.
The way I look at this window is as follows;
Is the squad in better shape now than before the window? I think so - just. I think our defence is gonna be a bit tighter and more disciplined this season - and for me this was our major weak point last season. We lost so many points from winning positions it was criminal.
Could the window have been better? Absolutely. Signing Traore would’ve helped with creativity, but is still not the backup to Kane we’ve been crying out for. I don’t think we’ll struggle to score goals this year - it’s just gonna take some time for the players to get used to Nuno and his ways for the fluidity in our play to return. At the moment, I’m just happy to see the players working hard on the pitch closing down and not camping out in front of the area for the final 20 minutes.
We’re gonna have to accept that Levy is just gonna be Levy. He’s got more right than wrong in his tenure - the progress of the club in the last 20 years or so is testament to that. He’s never going to break the bank to take a punt on a player because the club, as a business, does not have the resources to do that. The new stadium may give us that over the next few years assuming there are no more waves of COVID, but we’ll just have to continue to be patient.
And one final point from me on this - a lot of people on here, myself included, took the view that Kane leaving to join City is tantamount to buying trophies. Well, as far as I’m concerned, that also applies to us too. For all of Levy’s faults, I would much rather win trophies under his tenure that some oligarch because at least Levy has tried to run us properly.
On the pitch, yes there were and are opportunities missed because Levy gets too involved. I doubt that that will ever really change. However, would we have offloaded the players we have this window and got the likes of Romero, Gill and Sarr in if it had been Levy leading the deals? I very much doubt it.
The feeling I get is that when the value of the transfer exceeds a point, Levy is gonna step in and throw his weight about. Paratici and Hitchen will probably only get free reign up to a point.
The way I look at this window is as follows;
Is the squad in better shape now than before the window? I think so - just. I think our defence is gonna be a bit tighter and more disciplined this season - and for me this was our major weak point last season. We lost so many points from winning positions it was criminal.
Could the window have been better? Absolutely. Signing Traore would’ve helped with creativity, but is still not the backup to Kane we’ve been crying out for. I don’t think we’ll struggle to score goals this year - it’s just gonna take some time for the players to get used to Nuno and his ways for the fluidity in our play to return. At the moment, I’m just happy to see the players working hard on the pitch closing down and not camping out in front of the area for the final 20 minutes.
We’re gonna have to accept that Levy is just gonna be Levy. He’s got more right than wrong in his tenure - the progress of the club in the last 20 years or so is testament to that. He’s never going to break the bank to take a punt on a player because the club, as a business, does not have the resources to do that. The new stadium may give us that over the next few years assuming there are no more waves of COVID, but we’ll just have to continue to be patient.
And one final point from me on this - a lot of people on here, myself included, took the view that Kane leaving to join City is tantamount to buying trophies. Well, as far as I’m concerned, that also applies to us too. For all of Levy’s faults, I would much rather win trophies under his tenure that some oligarch because at least Levy has tried to run us properly.
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We have won ONE trophy under Levy’s 20 year tenure, ONE TROPHY !
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