Shadydan
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Honest question, why do you think the manager favours Bergwijn over Bale?
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Honest question, why do you think the manager favours Bergwijn over Bale?
Spurs_Bear
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I don't know. If I hated Jose I would put it down to him getting to a stage (usually where there is no return) where he prefers to make a point. Did the same at United which is a huge red flag.
Honest question. Do you think Bale would have contributed the same (you can take his goal away that he's already scored if it helps your argument) as Bergwijn if they had been afforded the same opportunity to play?
Spurs_Bear
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Do you know what the weird thing is, this is not about Bale vs Bergwijn.
It's about Bergwijn vs Bergwijn.
It's about Bergwijn vs Bergwijn.
Spurs_Bear
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Thank you.
And my personal favourite;
"If you cant see what he brings to the team then you don't know anything about football."
Shadydan
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Probably but I think you need to negate that by putting the work in to get on the pitch in the first place, I'm all for giving players minutes and a continuous run of matches but there needs to be some tangible progress when they're on the pitch in the first place.
When Bale played against Brighton I didn't see anything at all in his game to show why he deserved to be on the pitch, I know we played shit but from a personal perspective he did nothing and his body language was off. Bergwijn hasn't been great this season but has still worked hard for the majority of matches and has at least shown the right attitude when he's played.
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Firstly, thanks for actually replying in a non sarcastic manner, I know you've filed me under the "****" section but it's good to talk every now and then.
So I have another question (sorry for being slightly off topic in the wrong thread).
You're a world renowned manager, I'm not using world class because your best days might be behind you. You've got a 31 year old Gareth Bale, knowing the type of player he is (because the whole world does) and you choose to play him away to Brighton knowing we are going to struggle to compete for the ball and we have no talisman in our leading scorer.
You're then at home to a bottom 3 club, knowing you're going to have loads of the ball and could do with as many goal threats on the pitch as you possibly can. And you don't play him.
Are you wanting him to fail, proving a point, or just quite clearly dropping a bollock?
delawarespur
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He’s hard working, selfless, and defensively reliable. I understand these aren’t qualities that you look for when scouting a winger, and it shouldn’t be all you offer. But that’s not all I see. I see someone with pace, someone who recently has trusted his ability to go by players more, he’s always been someone who is a great decision maker. People say he loses the ball, but I genuinely think decision making and keeping the ball is something that can’t be debated. He’s a good passer, he knows what’s around him and plays with his head up. He knows how to position himself on the pitch and is great at working with others in attack.
What I’m comfortable with saying he isn’t: someone with elite pace, a finisher, someone with a goal scoring instinct. Someone with unwavering confidence.
Thats what I see, and the key word is “I”. I see a potentially great player if he works more on his finishing and his play from the edge of the box forward. I also understand frustrations and why people want more. I want more too. But given his age, his pedigree, and the fact he’s been here for just over a year, I think it would be rash to give up on him. I’m certainly not.
Spurs_Bear
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Ok, can someone be a potentially "great" player if they do not possess;
- Elite pace
- A finisher
- Goal scoring instinct
- Confidence
All those things that you see Bergwijn hasn't got, I see them too, I just don't see the other qualities which are all subjective. Like I'm absolutely shocked how slow he is. He got outrun by WBA's 22 stone forward about 5 mins after coming on this afternoon. It's weird.
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I really want him to come good and totally think we should work on nurturing his talent (I'm sure I'm just missing it), but he's not done anything to claim the RWF spot at the expense of Lamela or others.
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Finishing can be developed and improved. I agree that he isn’t rapid. It’s odd because he was in the eredivisie. It’s weird as it’s a physical trait; Jose mentioned a lingering groin injury but no one really knows. Goalscoring instinct is another, he’s never had that and might never develop it. He’s never been a goal scoring winger. Now was I expecting 0 goals this season, no. But a playmaking one is what he is. I see the qualities there. I genuinely see someone who makes the right decision 9/10 times and values keeping the ball. I really do see that he works well linking up with teammates and he is a really good passer. The selfless and hard working mentality is something we all agree on, and developing that isn’t as easy as some finer technical traits/abilities. To have unwavering self-confidence is something only the best of the best have. Kane, Bruno, Ronaldo, salah, lewandowski, Haaland etc. There are some really really good players, world class even who don’t. Griezmann, dybala, son, id put hazard and this may be a stretch, but mbappe in there. It’s easier to pick out attackers, but it’s the case everywhere on the pitch. The key for me is that he’s young, has only been here for a year, has experience against the best internationally and at club level. I also truly think he has great improvement potential with finer, more important aspects of his game that can propel him to be a success. He also may not improve enough to be a success here. But he’s young enough and hasn’t been here long enough for me to say he needs more time.
He was looking good this year. Then those misses at Anfield really seem to have shaken him and he's been far less productive.
I'd really like to see him rotated with Son though. He's not naturally a right sided player, he's just filling the role. He'd be more at home on the left.
I'd really like to see him rotated with Son though. He's not naturally a right sided player, he's just filling the role. He'd be more at home on the left.
GutBucket
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Looks much slower since the injury, think it ruined him somewhat. He looked good in preseason, maybe has lack of confidence after all those horrible misses. Disappointing in any case.
Dirtysanchez6
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What’s this guy actually do ? To say he is disappointing is an understatement
kaz Hirai
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Everytime I see him he just always seems to offer nothing for a forward.
You got something from bale, Lucas,son, Dele, vini and Lamela who came on the same time was causing them problems
Looks large too
LeParisien
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Did well in a move that led to an Ndombele chance from range. He almost looks like more of a 10 to me. Not a winger, not good enough in front of goal to be a second striker. But good interchange and touch. Touch of class
On the ball. Similar player to Lamela in that regard.
Mitigating factor is that most games he’s running around pressing for most of the game which can’t be helping his game. I think he’d look better in a team which has more possession. Not a good fit for us right now but not a bad player.
On the ball. Similar player to Lamela in that regard.
Mitigating factor is that most games he’s running around pressing for most of the game which can’t be helping his game. I think he’d look better in a team which has more possession. Not a good fit for us right now but not a bad player.
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More like Bergy haters vs Manbun haters.
Bergwijn is getting better every game, he’ll be here next season and he’ll start adding goals to his game.
Spurs_Bear
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My word.
