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Ex-Player Watch Player watch: Jan Vertonghen

SteveH

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There ’maybe’ a new policy to move the ’older’ players out?
As simple as that!
 

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There ’maybe’ a new policy to move the ’older’ players out?
As simple as that!
Not a bad idea really... Younger players who haven’t peaked yet have greater potential for improving and also generating a profit if we choose to sell. Plus the manager may have been making a point to keep the guys on their toes.

Listening to Poch post match he said something about Ndombele having 30-40% more potential. Maybe it’s time to try Sanchez, Foyth, Walker-Peters and other young guys, and get them up to their potential.

I love Verts to bits, but he won’t be around forever. This could well be his last year with us, so I could understand if we played others more to settle them in and prepare for the future.
 

rambu

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By all means Jan is one of his most rely-on veterans (if not the most), maybe just a melodrama before the city game hope to confuse them a little bit and the cunning Jan’s playing along?
Ok even the optimist in me thinks it’s a complete fantasy.
 

barry

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I personally think it was exactly as Poch said - he had to leave someone out and felt that Toby and Davinson deserved to start, and Dier offered more flexibility from the bench in terms of positions covered.

From day one Poch has always said he will pick a team on merit. It is how Kane and other youngsters got their chance in the first place. He has often said that the club pays players to train and improve, with the best ones picked to play on Saturday. I imagine Poch picked his team based on fitness following pre-season and effort / sharpness in training in the week leading up to the game. It's also why Eriksen was benched to start with.

Hopefully now training will be intense with 25 quality players pushing to get into the 18 at the weekend and the team being 'at it' from the first minute each week. If Vertonghen is a leader and has fire in his belly he will be first in on Monday and be the sharpest player in drills and make training difficult for Harry, Son, Moura and the other forwards in practise games.

That's just the bullshit they feed to the lesser players. Jan's one of the core group who always start. I reckon contract issue.
 

hughy

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I'm just going to put this out there...

My take on this is that Poch and the management are slightly concerned about Jan's long term fitness, hence why we haven't offered him another contract. If this is the case it would make perfect sense for them to have rested him for a game against Villa (which let's be honest, we should have won at a canter) in favour of a huge game against City.

As others have said, I think this can be turned in to something if he doesn't play against City. If he does it's exactly what I've mentioned above.
 

Timberwolf

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Just a theory, but maybe Poch decided to rotate the squad to give Sanchez some game time against a relatively weak attack and picked Toby alongside him for his long passing. Jan then got pissed off as he was practically a guaranteed starter when fit last season, so Poch left him out of the squad entirely as punishment. At least that fits in with the "Jan was dropped" comment from ValYid.

Given his age and the fact that he constantly featured throughout our pre-season, I think it would be odd if he was suddenly dropped now for contract reasons.

Also, while Sanchez is clearly our 3rd choice CB, we need to give him game time as he's our future, and it makes much more sense to play him against Villa at home than against City away.

Whatever the reason I hope it's just a minor disagreement as Jan's one of our most important players and we could really use him against City.
 

ravo

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Just a theory, but maybe Poch decided to rotate the squad to give Sanchez some game time against a relatively weak attack and picked Toby alongside him for his long passing. Jan then got pissed off as he was practically a guaranteed starter when fit last season, so Poch left him out of the squad entirely as punishment. At least that fits in with the "Jan was dropped" comment from ValYid.

Given his age and the fact that he constantly featured throughout our pre-season, I think it would be odd if he was suddenly dropped now for contract reasons.

Also, while Sanchez is clearly our 3rd choice CB, we need to give him game time as he's our future, and it makes much more sense to play him against Villa at home than against City away.

Whatever the reason I hope it's just a minor disagreement as Jan's one of our most important players and we could really use him against City.
Yep, I'm going with the 'weaker' opponent argument. Trying to stay positive, as I'm a big Jan supporter.
 

piedpiper

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I'm just going to put this out there...

My take on this is that Poch and the management are slightly concerned about Jan's long term fitness, hence why we haven't offered him another contract. If this is the case it would make perfect sense for them to have rested him for a game against Villa (which let's be honest, we should have won at a canter) in favour of a huge game against City. Too.

As others have said, I think this can be turned in to something if he doesn't play against City. If he does it's exactly what I've mentioned above.

Nope it doesn't make sense. Not at the start of the season. As the season progresses then sure you'd want preserve his energy levels IF it was an issue.

I'm all for giving the next Gen minutes. Young Players only improve when given game time . Villa aren't the big team that they used to be and shouldn't offer a serious threat. Perhaps it was strategic from Poch and he will play vs City.
 

cookiemonster

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Not a bad idea really... Younger players who haven’t peaked yet have greater potential for improving and also generating a profit if we choose to sell. Plus the manager may have been making a point to keep the guys on their toes.

Listening to Poch post match he said something about Ndombele having 30-40% more potential. Maybe it’s time to try Sanchez, Foyth, Walker-Peters and other young guys, and get them up to their potential.

I love Verts to bits, but he won’t be around forever. This could well be his last year with us, so I could understand if we played others more to settle them in and prepare for the future.

It's not a problem phasing older players out per se

But when the replacement is patently not good enough ,,,this is where my worry lies

Its like replacing Gough with Fairclough or Campbell with Perry

The gulf in standard is simply too vast
 

glacierSpurs

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Any other top 6 teams will take Sanchez without a doubt. The credit some of you given to Sanchez is just hilarious. Is not like Jan was dropped to Tangaga.
 

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It's not a problem phasing older players out per se

But when the replacement is patently not good enough ,,,this is where my worry lies

Its like replacing Gough with Fairclough or Campbell with Perry

The gulf in standard is simply too vast
Yes, I agree at times our defending and in particular Sanchez was poor. Was that the player not being good enough, a formation that exposed us, or a bit of both?

I have faith in Poch to figure something out. Maybe our next spending spree will be on the Defence, if he can’t get what he needs from the guys he has.

I’m glad we have upped the quality from days gone by... At least we no longer have players of the standard of Nethercott, Thatcher, Perry, Tramezzani, Stalteri, Thelwell... Comically bad players compared to the awesome players were lucky enough to enjoy each week nowadays!
 

Mornstar

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I read that Jan had the shits. That’s why he didn’t make the squad.
Do you have anymore 'in the know' on this? Feces samples, photos, videos of him using the public toilets at WHL...that sort of thing
 

stevenqoz

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The main reason why you'd ever split Vert and Toby for tactical reasons would be a fear that they could caught for pace by Villas forwards....Sanchez being quicker. Ironically, as it turned out, Sanchez got too tight, rolled and caught the wrong side. Despite his pace he couldn't get back past the opponent. Just a bit surprised that Poch would risk an upset in this squad considering the fact that Rose, Toby and Eriksen would already be unsettled
 

james Stock

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Sanchez was fine in his first season when he played more often than Toby. He was injured at some point and in and out of the team. He is still relatively young. Anyway he was not our worst defender on the weekend. Rose should have got across quicker and when he did get there, he over ran the ball, and went to ground. As Hoddle said he had to stay on his feet.

Awful pass by him to Winks early in the second half ended up with a VAR pen review.
 
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