Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

brasil_spur · Jul 12, 2019

Lighty64 said:
the stadium doesn't have to be paid for overnight, we have spent the last 8years pilling the little money compared to todays into the team and stadium, so now the stadium is finished, and we know we are getting 26k more fans through the doors and the profits for drink and food have gone through the roof compared to Wembley and the old WHL.

Exactly and don't forget all the other events at the stadium. It is practically a 7 day week events venue right now, with various corporate events being hosted there, along with NFL, Womens Football, Rugby and future music events, etc...

We're already at number 10 in the Football Rich list and with a full season at WHL very likely to number 9 or higher by this time next year.

I do think people are looking too much at our player spending during a period in which we saving for the stadium and training ground building and not looking at the wider picture which is now emerging.

I would also say that last summer wasn't even about lack of funds for player signings but more about a lack of players at a sensible price that a) wanted to come to us and b) would have actually improved us. This summer is already very different as the few clubs that are bigger and more attractive than us are all looking at a number of £100m+ players as their targets (Hazard, Neymar, Pogba, Griezmann, etc..) which is leaving us in a prime position for the <£70m players on the market.

Timberwolf · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Where did you get that our net spend for those 2 windows was £115m?
Transfermarkt has it at £40m.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...48/plus/0?saison_id=2007&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

He's talking about 4 windows across 2 seasons.

07/08: £84 million spend, £20 million sales = £64 million net spend.
08/09: £127 million spend, £79 million sales = £48 million net spend.

48+64 = £112 million. Close enough

(I probably fudged the maths a bit so could well be £115 mil).

Actually pretty mental looking back and seeing how much Levy used to spend. Pre-stadium plans we were really trying to bludgeon our way into the top 4 by spending big.

Lilbaz · Jul 12, 2019

Timberwolf said:
He's talking about 4 windows across 2 seasons.

07/08: £84 million spend, £20 million sales = £64 million net spend.
08/09: £127 million spend, £79 million sales = £48 million net spend.

48+64 = £112 million. Close enough

(I probably fudged the maths a bit so could well be £115 mil).

Actually pretty mental looking back and seeing how much Levy used to spend. Pre-stadium plans we were really trying to bludgeon our way into the top 4 by spending big.

My bad.

brasil_spur · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Where did you get that our net spend for those 2 windows was £115m?
Transfermarkt has it at £40m.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/totte...48/plus/0?saison_id=2007&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

We also had the share issue where enic took full control of the club. That money was used for transfers.

Same site - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/alletransfers/verein/148

I'm not sure how much impact the ENIC money had, but yes there are of course things impacting what we can spend, such as record TV revenue and associated money bump with reaching a CL final this year, plus no doubt some future sponsorship deals that Levy is well aware of but we don't have sight on yet.

But my point was really that £115m Net outlay over 2 years has been done before, so no reason we couldn't do it again, especially considering all the positive income factors we now have that we didn't have back then.

ackie · Jul 12, 2019

Japhet said:
I'm hoping that's the plan, although ITK have said that LoCelso is a target whatever happens to Eriksen which I like. I think (hope) that Ceballos is part of any Eriksen deal since I think it would represent most value for money from our perspective.

With GLC and Cebellos could mean another midfielder out as well though...

Lilbaz · Jul 12, 2019

brasil_spur said:
Same site - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/alletransfers/verein/148

Not sure the ENIC money impacted all that much, but yes there are of course things impacting spend amounts, such as record TV revenue and associated money bump with reaching a CL final this year, plus no doubt some future sponsorship deals that Levy is well aware of but we don't have sight on yet.

Yes my bad. Hungover and misreading.

brasil_spur · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Yes my bad. Hungover and misreading.

No probs dude, it surprised me it was that much to be fair when i looked it up. (y)

Lilbaz · Jul 12, 2019

brasil_spur said:
No probs dude, it surprised me it was that much to be fair when i looked it up.

Well it did push us on to getting cl with harry. Hopefully a splurge now can push us on to winning trophies.

Ronwol196061 · Jul 12, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
The thing with both Ceballos and Lo Celso is that they are very versatile, which stems from them being both very good technically and hard-working. It's telling when you watch clips of them playing in different teams.

GLC - PSG deeper in midfield, spreading the passes, using dribbling skills to evade tackles and transition. Betis playing more advanced, got VDV vibes from the way he arrives in the box and takes his chances. Still showing tenacity and an eye for a pass in the forward role. Argentina - best to disregard that mess of a situation.

Ceballos - Madrid, tends to play deeper and recycle the ball to help dominate possesion, Betis and U21 he's more advanced playing on the half turn and looking to slide in little through balls.

This with also Ndombeles ability to dribble offers a lot of fluidity that was missing in the team.
These last seasons we looked fluid on the counter or when the field was more open.It looks like Poch now is looking to create this as our M.O. which is great because I hated those back and forth sideways and back passes as a method of getting down the field.
Seems like these players we are picking will bring more fluidity.

brasil_spur · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Well it did push us on to getting cl with harry. Hopefully a splurge now can push us on to winning trophies.

IF we do go on a bit of a spending spree this summer then i would imagine this is exactly the club's thinking behind it.

Lighty64 · Jul 12, 2019

homer hotspur said:
But a lot of people on here are adamant he is NOT CE's replacement.................

he might not be, no guarantee CE will be going

nailsy · Jul 12, 2019

stewartd said:
Please give us some examples of the reasons you see ,other then the ITKs views.

If the figures Here are correct then:

Bournemouth have spent roughly £82M more than us over the the last two seasons.
Brighton have spent £116M more than us over the last two seasons.

Brighton's ground capacity is around 31K. Bournemouth's is below 11.5K. If both of those two mid-table sides can afford to spend massive amounts of money on players then it stands to reason that a team who have just got to a Champions League final who reported a world record profit this year and play in ground which generates significantly more money would also have a large amount of money to spend on players. If we can't compete with the likes of Bournemouth and Brighton in the transfer market what's the point in moving to a new stadium?
I know we've got the stadium debt to pay off, but that will be done over a considerable time period and the plan for the stadium was always to build a competitive team once we got to the stadium.

McFlash · Jul 12, 2019

stewartd said:
Please give us some examples of the reasons you see ,other then the ITKs views.

Well, what reasons make you believe otherwise?

We haven't spent for a while, we've made a fortune in recent Champions League campaigns and we've increased our revenue streams.
Plus TV money increases.
That, on top of itk info and rumours of bids we've made, lead me to the conclusion that we have plenty of money to spend and are willing to spend it.

You also have to think about Poch's comments about being backed and acting like a big club.
Levy wouldn't have rushed out to get Poch's number one target, only then then put the brakes on and decide that hes not actually going to back the best manager hes had.

Yid-ol · Jul 12, 2019

nailsy said:
If the figures Here are correct then:

Bournemouth have spent roughly £82M more than us over the the last two seasons.
Brighton have spent £116M more than us over the last two seasons.

Brighton's ground capacity is around 31K. Bournemouth's is below 11.5K. If both of those two mid-table sides can afford to spend massive amounts of money on players then it stands to reason that a team who have just got to a Champions League final who reported a world record profit this year and play in ground which generates significantly more money would also have a large amount of money to spend on players. If we can't compete with the likes of Bournemouth and Brighton in the transfer market what's the point in moving to a new stadium?
I know we've got the stadium debt to pay off, but that will be done over a considerable time period and the plan for the stadium was always to build a competitive team once we got to the stadium.

With out knowing the finance of the club's mentioned, we don't know that they can afford to spend the money they have?!

I would rather spend nothing on players if it means when the right player is available we can get them, than spending 100s of millions on players that don't fit in with us.

nailsy · Jul 12, 2019

Yid-ol said:
With out knowing the finance of the club's mentioned, we don't know that they can afford to spend the money they have?!

I would rather spend nothing on players if it means when the right player is available we can get them, than spending 100s of millions on players that don't fit in with us.

They both earned £100-£105M through the league (TV & Prize money) last season. I've had a quick look at their finances and over the last two seasons Bournemouth have generated £4M in profit. Brighton lost £26M over two seasons, but I think that includes a season in the championship.

Just looking at our estimated finances from the new stadium the loan repayments are meant to be around £50M a year, and it's supposed to generate about £100M a year. Then we've got the TV money, stadium rights, prize money, etc. I'll stop there as it's going off topic, but I wanted to answer the question about why some of people think there's enough money for a couple of players without having to sell.

Totally agree about spending on the right player. We've got to make every signing count now.

Lighty64 · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Yes my bad. Hungover and misreading.

getting worried as I see this response too often (y)

dg8672 · Jul 12, 2019

Lighty64 said:
getting worried as I see this response too often

TBF, its the transfer window. My alcohol consumption is up 300% since it opened.

Lilbaz · Jul 12, 2019

Lighty64 said:
getting worried as I see this response too often

Summer with garden parties in the evenings. Going to have a break this weekend though.

doctor stefan Freud · Jul 12, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Summer with garden parties in the evenings. Going to have a break this weekend though.

As you were, Gatsby

Cinemattis · Jul 12, 2019

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
My perspective is we should buy all the players then sell the ones we don't need for a profit. Fingers crossed!

Yeah, I do agree though, opinioned thoughts of fans on message boards is all well and good, what actually happens is another thing entirely.

What?! Are you saying that what we say in here don´t matter?!?!

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