Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 11, 2019

Japhet said:
If the 'Poch wants him out' ITK is correct (and it comes from our most reliable source), I doubt there's a contract waiting for him to sign. There undoubtedly was at some point but I think it may have been scrapped when the situation deteriorated.

Confused why this got a spam rating. It’s the truth of the matter.

spursfan77 · Jul 11, 2019

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
I don’t think it’s on the table any longer. We pulled out of negotiations as soon as he went back on a verbal agreement and demanded more money.

If that was the case, then it’s strange he hasn’t been sold in the last 2 years that this has been rumbling on. For a player of his quality there must have been takers despite the wages. Either that or he truly isn’t bothered about going somewhere else and wants to leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract. If that is the case then I don’t think we will see a drop off in quality from him next season because he hasn’t underperformed for the last year that’s for sure.

I do wonder how much nearly losing his leg has effected him mentally, it all seemed to change with him from that point despite us helping him through that period.

Styopa · Jul 11, 2019

blackburn said:
Maguire has a sell on value and 7 or 8 years left, completely different situation.

My point is that Toby (and Eriksen) have over estimated their worth and appeal, as usual Levy has played this well.

I agree. Although if say Alderweireld was the difference in the next two or three years of United being a top four team rather than a top six team then they might think it was £50m well spent.

But as you say it’s a completely different situation to Maguire because of the age difference.

rockyhotspur · Jul 11, 2019

Donki said:
Toby or his advisors have really played this poorly, we have had a contract on the table for him for probably close to 2 years improving his terms, probably with a signing fee and new bonus clauses. He has missed out on all that and still has no concrete offers in.

I’m not sure if the contract is still ‘on the table ‘

Japhet · Jul 11, 2019

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Confused why this got a spam rating. It’s the truth of the matter.

Me too, but there you go.

mike_l · Jul 11, 2019

spursfan77 said:
If that was the case, then it’s strange he hasn’t been sold in the last 2 years that this has been rumbling on. For a player of his quality there must have been takers despite the wages. Either that or he truly isn’t bothered about going somewhere else and wants to leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract. If that is the case then I don’t think we will see a drop off in quality from him next season because he hasn’t underperformed for the last year that’s for sure.

I do wonder how much nearly losing his leg has effected him mentally, it all seemed to change with him from that point despite us helping him through that period.

When did he nearly lose his leg???

piedpiper · Jul 11, 2019

blackburn said:
Toby is finding out that as a 31 year old demanding big wages his options are limited, Roma finished 6th in Serie A and it seems there's not much interest (there could be of course).

The club are handling this very well, sending out a message that we won't get bullied or blackmailed and that contracts are there to be honoured. If he goes to Ajax in a year there's no way they'll pay a bloke nearly 33 £150k+ a week.

How do you go from 31yrs old NOW to nearly 33yrs old in 1 year :cautious:

. .. BTW he is 30 yrs old.

blackburn · Jul 11, 2019

piedpiper said:
How do you go from 31yrs old NOW to nearly 33yrs old in 1 year . .. BTW he is 30 yrs old.

So you disagree with my point?

Japhet · Jul 11, 2019

piedpiper said:
How do you go from 31yrs old NOW to nearly 33yrs old in 1 year . .. BTW he is 30 yrs old.

Thank God he doesn't have an apostrophe in his name.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 11, 2019

spursfan77 said:
If that was the case, then it’s strange he hasn’t been sold in the last 2 years that this has been rumbling on. For a player of his quality there must have been takers despite the wages. Either that or he truly isn’t bothered about going somewhere else and wants to leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract. If that is the case then I don’t think we will see a drop off in quality from him next season because he hasn’t underperformed for the last year that’s for sure.

I do wonder how much nearly losing his leg has effected him mentally, it all seemed to change with him from that point despite us helping him through that period.

Man U clearly wanted him last summer but wouldn’t pay the fee we demanded. And with Toby approaching 30 I guess no other big teams saw sense in shelling out a large fee and wages.

And now he is 30 and still demanding such high wages it’s blocking any potential moves. If he wasn’t so greedy in the first place he would have been getting 150k pw now and probably have another 3 years on his contract. Instead he has been treading water and it probably spells the end of his career in top level football as he’ll need to go to China to satisfy his wage demands.

piedpiper · Jul 11, 2019

blackburn said:
So you disagree with my point?

No that age logic threw me off completely.... But he will be 31 can go on a free and join Juve etc. Earn a sign on fee and 150K plus a week.

Spurs Lodge Kittens · Jul 11, 2019

Such a strange one. If he'd accepted that contract offer a year or two ago he could be something like £3 - 6m better off. Instead, he's now got to the age where other teams are apprehensive about offering him a deal and a big pay day.

Wheeler Dealer · Jul 11, 2019

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
Man U clearly wanted him last summer but wouldn’t pay the fee we demanded. And with Toby approaching 30 I guess no other big teams saw sense in shelling out a large fee and wages.

And now he is 30 and still demanding such high wages it’s blocking any potential moves. If he wasn’t so greedy in the first place he would have been getting 150k pw now and probably have another 3 years on his contract. Instead he has been treading water and it probably spells the end of his career in top level football as he’ll need to go to China to satisfy his wage demands.

Your comments are very speculative. We don't know his motives.. I'm not sure the club does either to be honest.

Derp · Jul 11, 2019

Spurs Lodge Kittens said:
Such a strange one. If he'd accepted that contract offer a year or two ago he could be something like £3 - 6m better off. Instead, he's now got to the age where other teams are apprehensive about offering him a deal and a big pay day.

But that’s easily earned back in a sign on fee + he will earn a lot more at his new club. The only thing Toby has to worry about is his health, but that’s the risk you take when you let your contract run out. On the other hand he will have more clubs to pick from when he is a free agent.

I think most people have it right when they say that the complete package might turn off clubs atm, when they can wait a year and not pay us £25m...

SpartanSpur · Jul 11, 2019

Derp said:
But that’s easily earned back in a sign on fee + he will earn a lot more at his new club. The only thing Toby has to worry about is his health, but that’s the risk you take when you let your contract run out. On the other hand he will have more clubs to pick from when he is a free agent.

I think most people have it right when they say that the complete package might turn off clubs atm, when they can wait a year and not pay us £25m...

At that point he has missed out on a further £4-6m in wages however. In that case I imagine he needs a 3 year deal at £250k+ a week to really come out on top. He might have to go to China like Dembele.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 11, 2019

blackburn said:
Toby is finding out that as a 31 year old demanding big wages his options are limited, Roma finished 6th in Serie A and it seems there's not much interest (there could be of course).

The club are handling this very well, sending out a message that we won't get bullied or blackmailed and that contracts are there to be honoured. If he goes to Ajax in a year there's no way they'll pay a bloke nearly 33 £150k+ a week.

I agree with much of your point and have basically being saying it for the past 2 years, but you have ages the bloke substantially, he’s only just turned 30.

I do think in a year he’ll end up getting a very good wage from someone. I don’t think he’s likely to get it now, £25m would still make him the third most expensive player over 30 years old of all time.

Adam456 · Jul 11, 2019

Here's what I wrote on December 28 when everybody was panicking that Toby was 100% gone in the summer (if not January) and that the club had been a bit stupid.

It only got 3 agrees. But now everybody seems to be making exactly the same point and some saying that Toby / his advisors have cocked up and the club have played it well...

Adam456 said:
Unsurprising that some are in full panic mode but a little look at the sums and it's not so straightforward. At over 30 (in the summer when I / we understand the clause is applicable) then nobody is going to give him more than 3 years (some only 2). As he will have no resale value that means somebody effectively prepared to pay £8.3m per year on top of his wages.

Clearly these sums of money are not crazy for the likes of Citeh. But £8.3m per year is £160k pw and that means matching our offer would cost approx £300k pw. Going significantly above would be towards £350k pw.

As good as he is, would they be prepared to commit to that for a central defender who is by no means injury prone but has had a few spells out recently ?

If so then good luck to them but they will almost certainly be overpaying. I think it is just as likely he either signs a new contract with us or stays a further year so he can go for free

In the case of Man U they may well be changing manager. Citeh may recoil back from big spends on ageing players. And Toby doesn't seem to be that highly rated in Spain (for some reason).

No reason to think he is gone already

Lilbaz · Jul 11, 2019

Hopefully this saga and the seeming lack of interest in chris, makes other players in the squad think i wont run down my contract. Not worth the hassel.

yiddo · Jul 11, 2019

I agree with people saying he and his advisors appear to have played his contract negotiations quite badly but at the same time it doesn’t help our situation much.
Whether we lose Toby now for 25m or in a year for free, we will be weaker without him. But given the lack of CBs we have been linked with, seems it’s not a priority position ?

SpartanSpur · Jul 11, 2019

yiddo said:
I agree with people saying he and his advisors appear to have played his contract negotiations quite badly but at the same time it doesn’t help our situation much.
Whether we lose Toby now for 25m or in a year for free, we will be weaker without him. But given the lack of CBs we have been linked with, seems it’s not a priority position ?

At some point we have to move on. Can't keep them for ever. We are also extremely unlikely to make a better signing than Davinson Sanchez to replace him, so anyone coming in is probably a rotation option. That probably explains why it's not a priority.

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