Daily Mirror- Joe Lewis will sell the club....if he gets £1BILLION.

Lighty64 · Jun 7, 2019

Metalhead said:
Thing is that if we got super rich owners like they have at City then they would have less reason to moan; however, after two lean transfer windows, the signs are that we are going to see some decent action in the window. I'm sure that some will moan whatever happens though.

Moaners where born to moan, whatever we spend it will either not be enough or not the players they expect to take us to the next level.

Was a nice 3 week build up to the final, would of been great to of won it to keep them quiet for a few more days/weeks/months but nope no luck

Metalhead · Jun 7, 2019

Lighty64 said:
Moaners where born to moan, whatever we spend it will either not be enough or not the players they expect to take us to the next level.

Was a nice 3 week build up to the final, would of been great to of won it to keep them quiet for a few more days/weeks/months but nope no luck

Do you think that moaning is that bad on here? I feel somewhat in the middle - I don't think that the owners are above criticism but I do feel that most people should end up feeling satisfied over transfers by August.

Lighty64 · Jun 7, 2019

Metalhead said:
Do you think that moaning is that bad on here? I feel somewhat in the middle - I don't think that the owners are above criticism but I do feel that most people should end up feeling satisfied over transfers by August.

you only need to go into the players threads in the transfer forum to see that will never happen :LOL:

80% love player A and can't wait for him to sign, the other 10% if allowed in there "he's not good enough!", the other 10% are fence sitters.

there is only a small amount that usually start a meltdown thread, and a few others that keep it alive. then a few will agree to certain aspects.

ENIC have made errors, but so has Poch and everyone else. I was fuming with them the window we was sitting 3rd comfortably to only sign Nelson and Saha. just typical we looked so strong that season, for Redknapp to be in court over his tax, and also being courted by England. since then I've decided it's no good getting angry as it gets you nowhere

Metalhead · Jun 7, 2019

Lighty64 said:
you only need to go into the players threads in the transfer forum to see that will never happen 80% love player A and can't wait for him to sign, the other 10% if allowed in there "he's not good enough!", the other 10% are fence sitters.

there is only a small amount that usually start a meltdown thread, and a few others that keep it alive. then a few will agree to certain aspects.

ENIC have made errors, but so has Poch and everyone else. I was fuming with them the window we was sitting 3rd comfortably to only sign Nelson and Saha. just typical we looked so strong that season, for Redknapp to be in court over his tax, and also being courted by England. since then I've decided it's no good getting angry as it gets you nowhere

Opinions are ok, I guess as long as they don't lead to people being rude or disrespecting others.

Lighty64 · Jun 7, 2019

Metalhead said:
Opinions are ok, I guess as long as they don't lead to people being rude or disrespecting others.

I know what you mean, got called clueless by someone earlier because I disagree with his views of Sanchez, he then went on to post that Sanchez has been part of our 20 loses 17 times, yet he never played in 5 and came off the bench in 2 we were already losing in.

SirNiNyHotspur · Jun 7, 2019

Lighty64 said:
Moaners where born to moan, whatever we spend it will either not be enough or not the players they expect to take us to the next level.

Was a nice 3 week build up to the final, would of been great to of won it to keep them quiet for a few more days/weeks/months but nope no luck

For someone that doesn't like 'moaners' you sure like to moan alot, even when 'moaners' aren't moaning you're moaning about them not moaning

To state the obvious 'moaners' weren't moaning in the lead up to the CL final as believe it or not Spurs fans with different opinions to your own were also excited about the final, on any given day anyone has a chance, even if we had a pub league team out there I would have been excited as you never know, but at the end of the day the team that spent the money won, would we have won had we invested last summer? Who knows, but what we do know is the teams that spend the most money win the most, shown over and over... For now we can all hope together this summer is the start of a new plan so let's all stop moaning...

Lighty64 · Jun 7, 2019

SirNiNyHotspur said:
For someone that doesn't like 'moaners' you sure like to moan alot, even when 'moaners' aren't moaning you're moaning about them not moaning To state the obvious 'moaners' weren't moaning in the lead up to the CL final as believe it or not Spurs fans with different opinions to your own were also excited about the final, on any given day anyone has a chance, even if we had a pub league team out there I would have been excited as you never know, but at the end of the day the team that spent the money won, would we have won had we invested last summer? Who knows, but what we do know is the teams that spend the most money win the most, shown over and over... For now we can all hope together this summer is the start of a new plan so let's all stop moaning...

and some of us understand what ITK have been saying is that because Poch was unable to get his number 1 targets and we also failed to get rid of the deadwood was the reason why we never signed, but many of us know who you blamed.

as you said, at moment the summer has positive vibes so lets hope they stay positive to stop the top moaners going into meltdown again

piedpiper · Jun 7, 2019

HobbitSpur said:
I cannot argue my point against yours as I said there is no actual fact in my posts just purely my thought and opinions so could be way off.

However you say that ENIC have not raised our profile, yet by your own admission we there were maybe 6 games a season when we were signing this 'exciting' talent.

Surely our global brand is far greater than it was back then which can only be down to ENIC.

I do not understand your argument.

No its just what was available to broadcasters back then. Sky changed the landscape and made all teams more visible.

Lilbaz · Jun 7, 2019

piedpiper said:
No its just what was available to broadcasters back then. Sky changed the landscape and made all teams more visible.

Sky had the rights for 10 years before enic took over spurs.

piedpiper · Jun 7, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Sky had the rights for 10 years before enic took over spurs.

Yes i know that. Its exactly what i was explaining to hobbitspur as to our visibility in the 90's vs 80's and games being broadcast.

Lilbaz · Jun 7, 2019

piedpiper said:
Yes i know that. Its exactly what i was explaining to hobbitspur as to our visibility in the 90's vs 80's and games being broadcast.

The 80's we were considered one of the big 5. Winning trophies including the uefa cup. We could attract some of the biggest names including the likes of lineker & waddle.

Our visibility may have been damaged abroad by heysel. But abroad is nothing to do with sky. The rights are different. In this country football may have had less money and less games on tv but many more people did watch the games that were on. I believe the average viewing figures for premier league games on sky now is around 200k.

piedpiper · Jun 7, 2019

Lilbaz said:
The 80's we were considered one of the big 5. Winning trophies including the uefa cup. We could attract some of the biggest names including the likes of lineker & waddle.

Our visibility may have been damaged abroad by heysel. But abroad is nothing to do with sky. The rights are different. In this country football may have had less money and less games on tv but many more people did watch the games that were on. I believe the average viewing figures for premier league games on sky now is around 200k.

Fully agree and you reinforce my original point, that our brand visibility outside of the the UK was just as big back then as we are now, but on the sky bit and i suppose the advent of digital tv platforms Sky or other players opened up the PL to foreign markets from the 90's and our brand identity/ profile world wide has little to do with Enic and more to do with the advent of technology and giving greater access to supporters.

DJS · Jun 8, 2019

Donki said:
I don’t think so, I think he did make a partial payment .

If a poster is gonna make daft broad statements like they did, then they do need to pay up tbh...

Lilbaz · Jun 8, 2019

piedpiper said:
Fully agree and you reinforce my original point, that our brand visibility outside of the the UK was just as big back then as we are now, but on the sky bit and i suppose the advent of digital tv platforms Sky or other players opened up the PL to foreign markets from the 90's and our brand identity/ profile world wide has little to do with Enic and more to do with the advent of technology and giving greater access to supporters.

Our brand identity in those markets was shit though. We were a mid table team. Not finishing in the top 7. Under enic we have been in the cl 4 years in a row and europa before that. You can't say our profile hasn't been raised since they took over.

HobbitSpur · Jun 8, 2019

piedpiper said:
Fully agree and you reinforce my original point, that our brand visibility outside of the the UK was just as big back then as we are now, but on the sky bit and i suppose the advent of digital tv platforms Sky or other players opened up the PL to foreign markets from the 90's and our brand identity/ profile world wide has little to do with Enic and more to do with the advent of technology and giving greater access to supporters.

So why are West Ham, Everton or Aston Villa not at the same level as us?

Flashspur · Jun 8, 2019

Everton were an old fashioned English club and really didn’t have the financial clout or want to take financial risk and appointed meh managers once Moyes left so under Kenwright they were stuck mid table but the new owner is investing. The dildo brothers as we know are basically milking WH for all its worth. They won the lottery with the Olympic stadium but have appointed hit and miss managers. Pellegrini is probably the first with any pedigree. Remains to be seen how that financial model works long term. Aston Villa is a sorry tale of an American owner who didn’t invest in the team and made horrible managerial appointments.

See a pattern here. ENIC went through their own managerial merry go round before Poch. They have had this balancing act of investing in infrastructure and remaining competitive. Remarkable how they have managed it. But the financial conservatism has held us back in terms of playing staff.

piedpiper · Jun 8, 2019

Lilbaz said:
Our brand identity in those markets was shit though. We were a mid table team. Not finishing in the top 7. Under enic we have been in the cl 4 years in a row and europa before that. You can't say our profile hasn't been raised since they took over.

Sorry im bot being argumentative for the sake of it... I do agree on our progress as a club and where are now w.r t competing for the title 2 yrs running and our CL qualification thats diwn to Enic....fully agree there. My departure point is on our brand recognition back then.... I maintain it was just as strong. Like you said in a earlier post our trophies in the 80's contributed... Remember im talking internationally/ 3rd world etc.

I watched the CL final at a supporters group in Johannesburg about 300 people were there and i know of a group in Durban at both groups the ages were skewed to older members.. Born in 60's & 70's who were all passionate supporters.. There were some expats who regaled us with their memories of WHL and the rivalry with Arsenal...shit im digressing but my original point of disagreement with Hobbit was on the brand recognition.

Thanks for great interaction Baz (y)

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piedpiper · Jun 8, 2019

HobbitSpur said:
So why are West Ham, Everton or Aston Villa not at the same level as us?

Im not disagreeing on where we are now and yes Enic have played a role... However slow and laboured that has been. I just disagreed with your assertion that they raised our profile in international markets. We have plenty of supporters through out Africa as an example they were there BEFORE enic...

I remember in the late 80's early 90's going to a local stationery shop and reading a weekly version of the Daily Mail & The Express to get snippets of info on Spurs.

HobbitSpur · Jun 8, 2019

piedpiper said:
Im not disagreeing on where we are now and yes Enic have played a role... However slow and laboured that has been. I just disagreed with your assertion that they raised our profile in international markets. We have plenty of supporters through out Africa as an example they were there BEFORE enic...

I remember in the late 80's early 90's going to a local stationery shop and reading a weekly version of the Daily Mail & The Express to get snippets of info on Spurs.

Yes. And we probably had overseas support before the introduction of colour TV. You are making a strawman argument and contradicting your initial point.

International awareness increases with success.

Without success overseas fans would

A) not be aware of us. Or...

B) probably far more likely choose a more successful team from the PL.

The reason we are gaining traction as a global brand is because of, and it doesn't matter what kind of faecal matter and shiny metallic dust you roll it in, ENIC.

An argument could revolve around 'could an alternate management group have done it quicker or better?'. But to completely dismiss ENIC's role in our rise is delusional.

HobbitSpur · Jun 8, 2019

piedpiper said:
Sorry im bot being argumentative for the sake of it... I do agree on our progress as a club and where are now w.r t competing for the title 2 yrs running and our CL qualification thats diwn to Enic....fully agree there. My departure point is on our brand recognition back then.... I maintain it was just as strong. Like you said in a earlier post our trophies in the 80's contributed... Remember im talking internationally/ 3rd world etc.

I watched the CL final at a supporters group in Johannesburg about 300 people were there and i know of a group in Durban at both groups the ages were skewed to older members.. Born in 60's & 70's who were all passionate supporters.. There were some expats who regaled us with their memories of WHL and the rivalry with Arsenal...shit im digressing but my original point of disagreement with Hobbit was on the brand recognition.

Thanks for great interaction Baz.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

How can you even try to dismiss the fact that our global awareness is not greater than in the 80's

And this cannot be without the successes we have achieved.

I am not saying that we were not supported overseas 50, 60, 70 years ago. We were.

BUT

Our brand is growing faster than it ever has. And to say that this is just organic growth and our international family base would be exactly the same if we had been playing in the Championship for that last few season is quite frankly obtuse.

Edit
Piper. Apologies if I am being rude. I just cannot honestly see any validity in your opinion. Mine is purely opinion too, and although I strongly disagree with yours I should respect it.

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