The Mauricio Pochettino thread

hero · May 4, 2019

double0 said:
The only way he'll improve is for Levy to boost his transfer kitty. I'm fully behind Pochettinho in the transfer market not buying second rate and insisting on first choice...will not blame him for that.

Possession football in the main has got us consecutive CL football and we've tended to get top 234, QF SF and Finals in various cups. The final step is squad investment imo.

I agree with KWP but he has given Foyth opportunities.

The first choice must be gettable or we are not going to buy anyone again. Do not forget that Poch wanted VJ and here we are. If he does not trust our scouts, then the club is very vulnerable as if Poch fail, the club fail as well. I just want to be more realistic.

double0 · May 4, 2019

hero said:
The first choice must be gettable or we are not going to buy anyone again. Do not forget that Poch wanted VJ and here we are. If he does not trust our scouts, then the club is very vulnerable as if Poch fail, the club fail as well. I just want to be more realistic.

No Pochettinho wanted Batshuayi...I understand the needs for second chioce but for me I admire this stance to really force Levys hand. If all fail he'll fall on his sword and Levy want hesitate to pull the trigger.

Joely · May 4, 2019

We need to get in a couple of signings he really wants. Yes it's not always possible when competing against other clubs, but we have to show him that we will push the boat out for his targets. Resigned to losing Alderweirald and Eriksen so from their sales, I'd expect close to the £90-100m mark. If he want's to spend £50-65m of that on one player, he needs to be backed as he has earned it. We are never going to have a substantial net spend under ENIC so need to get rid of other crap from the squad to raise funds.

TEESSIDE1 · May 4, 2019

I’d love to know what’s happening behind closed doors. Yes we’ve got injuries but some of our best players have looked like they don’t a shit for a couple of months now. Is Poch starting and/or has lost the dressing room?

Alli and Eriksen have been dreadful, our once supreme defender in Toby looks accident prone as does Sanchez and Lloris, Dier is a shadow of his former self, Son was outstanding but has been pants the last month or so, Trippier just LOL. The only players who have been consistently good this season are Vertonghen and Sissoko, and Kane in dribs and drabs but he’s certainly not shown the form of when he was scoring from here, there and everywhere and smashed it what was it? 5/6 hat-tricks in the season.

double0 · May 4, 2019

TEESSIDE1 said:
I’d love to know what’s happening behind closed doors. Yes we’ve got injuries but some of our best players have looked like they don’t a shit for a couple of months now. Is Poch starting and/or has lost the dressing room?

Alli and Eriksen have been dreadful, our once supreme defender in Toby looks accident prone as does Sanchez and Lloris, Dier is a shadow of his former self, Son was outstanding but has been pants the last month or so, Trippier just LOL. The only players who have been consistently good this season are Vertonghen and Sissoko, and Kane in dribs and drabs but he’s certainly not shown the form of when he was scoring from here, there and everywhere and smashed it what was it? 5/6 hat-tricks in the season.

Losing the dressing room line...the most important person is Pochettinho and if we have players not buying into his method I back Pochettinho over the players so time for x players to leave.

Joely · May 4, 2019

I don't think Poch has lost the dressing room but I do sometimes feel some of our better players do think that they are playing alongside players who are just not up to it. I've noticed Toby look frustrated at Trippier on a couple of times and there's a resigned look on his face where he knows Trippier simply isn't up to it.

TEESSIDE1 · May 4, 2019

double0 said:
Losing the dressing room line...the most important person is Pochettinho and if we have players not buying into his method I back Pochettinho over the players so time for x players to leave.

I agree but is it a case of say when Kaboul, Lennon, Adebayor etc kicked off and were given the boot or do we have an epidemic in that Trippier (not that I care), Alderweireld, Dier, Alli, Eriksen and Llorente are playing like they don’t give 2 shits about the club. Add Poch’s reported reluctance to strengthen the squad last summer and in Jan, all this is building up to be an absolute disaster for the club.

TEESSIDE1 · May 4, 2019

Joely said:
I don't think Poch has lost the dressing room but I do sometimes feel some of our better players do think that they are playing alongside players who are just not up to it. I've noticed Toby look frustrated at Trippier on a couple of times and there's a resigned look on his face where he knows Trippier simply isn't up to it.

But likewise Toby has been poor this season in comparison to previous seasons. Today he was bloody awful. It’s no coincidence that the 2 contract rebels in Toby and Eriksen have been piss poor since refusing to sign a new contract.

Joely · May 4, 2019

TEESSIDE1 said:
But likewise Toby has been poor this season in comparison to previous seasons. Today he was bloody awful. It’s no coincidence that the 2 contract rebels in Toby and Eriksen have been piss poor since refusing to sign a new contract.

Toby may not be having the best of seasons but he has still been miles better than the shower of shite Trippier has served up. Also Toby doesn't look like he doesn't belong at this level whereas with Trippier I often find myself genuinely wondering how this guy has made it as a footballer. His only saving grace is the ability to cross which now teams have wised up to him, he can't rely upon and bet the other players know deep inside that this guy is out his depth. Most of the time, he is relying on Sissoko to save his ass.

ostrov · May 4, 2019

After all that had happened since New Year, you start to reevaluate the job Poch and the team have been doing. Has he really taken this team as far as he can? Is he too soft, not ruthless enough? Why can't we take the last step and we fall at the last hurdle? Is he too nice a guy, too forgiving towards referees and his players? He complains about lack of discipline at the post-match presser but who sets the rules? As one saying goes "the severity of the laws is compensated by their non-observance."
For me today was a tipping point. First time in five years I started doubting Poch's ability to be a winner of "big things". He's is very good at developing players, getting to a certain high level, but we can't make the step to the very top beyond 1/2 final stage.
I want to see what he will do in the transfer market this summer and next season before I completely lose faith.
But right at the moment, it's a very painful end of the season. It started so promisingly with the new stadium only 4 weeks ago and turned sour too quickly.

fishhhandaricecake · May 4, 2019

JCRD said:
Thats why I think we will beat Ajax on Wednesday, Poch has torn into them and the players know they let themselves down... we know what went wrong and Poch and the players will fix it... it is fixable...

Fingers crossed mate but looking at the bigger picture I’m a bit concerned by some of Poch’s decisions and signings. If Janssen was his pick that’s not good, it now looks like Foyth was also his pick and whist promising at first he’s now looking like a bit of a liability, we can’t seem to score at the moment without Kane which is concerning.

On one hand we and poch absoloutley need big investment into the summer to improve us and push us on but on the other hand I’m a little concerned given Poch’s track record of signings for us and at Southampton as well as some of his brain fart decisions like continuing to have faith in Dier as a DM, trying Foyth and RB etc etc make me wonder if he even has a clear plan he’s working to, hopefully he’s just hamstring by our lack of spending so he’s trying everything to fix it but the recent collapse in form is concerning as yet again it seems like we are struggling to get over the line...

Mate · May 5, 2019

One positive for Poch is that he's had enough drama this season to fill up his next 3 books.

midoshairband · May 5, 2019

for all the great things Poch has done for us, coming out and saying publicly that the squad needs and overhaul the day before the game and 4 days before a CL semi-final second leg, is completely and utterly brainless.

slartibartfast · May 5, 2019

midoshairband said:
for all the great things Poch has done for us, coming out and saying publicly that the squad needs and overhaul the day before the game and 4 days before a CL semi-final second leg, is completely and utterly brainless.

He has a track record of doing that.
I also find his substitutions mind boggling.
If you're playing shit and having a shocker you stay on. If your causing the opposition problems and having a good game you come off.
We're missing Verts today and he takes off Toby when we're down to 10 and need a result!!! Madness. So what he was on a yellow. You dont make a sub every time some picks up a yellow. I just didn't get it at all or against Ajax.

fishhhandaricecake · May 5, 2019

midoshairband said:
for all the great things Poch has done for us, coming out and saying publicly that the squad needs and overhaul the day before the game and 4 days before a CL semi-final second leg, is completely and utterly brainless.

You’re not wrong there but do you think the players actually take that much notice of everything he says in the media, I’m not so sure they hang on his every work quite as much as we and the media do.

shoggy33 · May 5, 2019

Always been his biggest fan but he's doing my head in at the moment. He's proud because no one expected us to be there... We've finished in the top 3 three years in a row FFS. He's presided over the biggest deterioration in performance levels I've ever seen from a spurs side

ostrov said:
After all that had happened since New Year, you start to reevaluate the job Poch and the team have been doing. Has he really taken this team as far as he can? Is he too soft, not ruthless enough? Why can't we take the last step and we fall at the last hurdle? Is he too nice a guy, too forgiving towards referees and his players? He complains about lack of discipline at the post-match presser but who sets the rules? As one saying goes "the severity of the laws is compensated by their non-observance."
For me today was a tipping point. First time in five years I started doubting Poch's ability to be a winner of "big things". He's is very good at developing players, getting to a certain high level, but we can't make the step to the very top beyond 1/2 final stage.
I want to see what he will do in the transfer market this summer and next season before I completely lose faith.
But right at the moment, it's a very painful end of the season. It started so promisingly with the new stadium only 4 weeks ago and turned sour too quickly.

I think he's taken this team as far back as anyone can. He's been working miracles with this bunch for years, we have a lot of shit players.

fishhhandaricecake · May 5, 2019

ValenciaYid said:
IMO, Poch is referring to the great relationships and friendships he has built up with certain players, who he is now going to move on as they arent good enough for the next level. That is what is going to be painful.

That’s how I read it too

midoshairband · May 5, 2019

slartibartfast said:
He has a track record of doing that.
I also find his substitutions mind boggling.
If you're playing shit and having a shocker you stay on. If your causing the opposition problems and having a good game you come off.
We're missing Verts today and he takes off Toby when we're down to 10 and need a result!!! Madness. So what he was on a yellow. You dont make a sub every time some picks up a yellow. I just didn't get it at all or against Ajax.

ironic that he subbed Toby to save him getting a second yellow, yet his replacement got a straight red ??

anyway, i’m loathe to criticise Poch too much, and i know he’s still learning, but some of the things he does are truly baffling and need to be questioned.

fishhhandaricecake · May 5, 2019

midoshairband said:
ironic that he subbed Toby to save him getting a second yellow, yet his replacement got a straight red ??

anyway, i’m loathe to criticise Poch too much, and i know he’s still learning, but some of the things he does are truly baffling and need to be questioned.

Spot on, he’s got us over performing so often that I can’t really question him too much however there are a few occasions each season where I think does he actually have a clue what he’s doing lol! What a mindfuck. Part of his magic I suppose keeping us on our toes. His missus must be a lucky lady lol.

midoshairband · May 5, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
You’re not wrong there but do you think the players actually take that much notice of everything he says in the media, I’m not so sure they hang on his every work quite as much as we and the media do.

possibly not, but if that what he’s saying publicly, who knows whats coming across behind closed doors.

there has to be some reason for this utter meltdown over the last few months, and when a teams mentality is totally and utterly shot, i’d be looking at the manager.

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